PDQ Mobile wrote:Hard to see a total solution to a heart attack.
Not at all, that's what we're discussing.
PDQ Mobile wrote:I could still argue that the really astute human driver might well outperform the robot.
You could argue that but you'd be wrong as well as missing the point.
Almost no driver is "really astute" 100% of the time and if you believe you are then you're living in some soft of make believe world.
If you're never affected by tiredness, lack of concentration, distraction, bad moods or don't suffer from the myriad of visual issues evolution has foisted upon us then you need to get your genetics read for the benefit of mankind before they're lost.
(And that's before we get started on 360 degree awareness and abilities like radar)
Everyone I know is a great driver right up to the point they're not...
Nothing is perfect, but some things are nearer that ideal.
If you want to sit through some of the videos on YouTube and explain in what way you think the ape in control of the vehicle did better than even the shoddiest AI then I'd be interested.
Well I drove professionally a fair bit for many years but I am not trying to "blow my own trumpet" indeed I have studiously avoided it.
I will say however, that I once saved a child's life by firstly being astute and secondly by using a sort of intuition and anticipation.
Experience and focus is a biggy here.
And I don't think a robot would probably have had the same result.
When a child on a wide pavement, terrified by a very large, suddenly barking aggressive dog behind a gate, just runs into the road directly in front of one's vehicle, and we are talking about right in front, then only the swerve will suffice.
Throw a large trailer into the mix and one is in ad lib territory. Nothing pre programmed will cover it. IMHO
I can tell you her mother's expression was one of total gratitude. And Anglo/French relations were improved.
The ability to maintain a high level of focus and concentration over long journeys is something that comes with time and experience.
It is however perfectly possible.
I will say also say that as we debate this I have not yet seen an AI car capable of being let loose in diverse traffic conditions without a human chaperone.
You may be right that it is achievable but for now many of the weaknesses of the human driver apply to the machine.
Tiredness = sensor malfunction. Poor eye sight = darkness, rain and road filth on camera lenses.
And just a simple lack of adaptability, no intuition.
So these are also weaknesses in machines. And they are significant where lives are at stake.
Now you are the electronics and programmer man.
You have a vested interest in promoting this, as yet unachieved, brave new world (as I see it, you understand).
I am quite different a self confessed techno phobe.
I have long lived quite happily and quite safely without such complexity.
Actively preferring the simple.
And I have no vested interest.
My personal view (based on some considerable experience) is that increased complexity reduces reliability. It also costs more because it involves more equipment.
And the benefit is not proven. IMV.
I should, I suppose, also confess that I like driving. And cycling. And walking. Making my own decisions, as I do in other walks of life.
I would not say that I have never made a mistake.
I have and not only "on the road"(!) ,but the secret is to reappraise and learn- build it into the next time. So are good drivers (and cyclists) formed.
And I guess, as you suggest, controlling software can "learn" too. (Though that also involves mistakes?)
However that depends on perfect FLAWLESS input from a huge number of sources, of course.
So for now I'll pass and drive myself.
( couldn't afford a new motor anyway).
In the Tesla video, I wonder what would have happened if the sensors had somehow misread or failed to read correctly, you see. With more traffic, more complexity.
What would the "driver" have done? Would he have had time to do anything?
Watching (and fiddling with) that awful screen must be a distraction?
I just simply prefer to take the responsibility on myself I guess.