High Performance Cars

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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby kwackers » 2 Dec 2020, 12:06pm

rareposter wrote:Far worse than that. SEMI-autonomous vehicles are already here and as a result, many drivers are essentially "switching off" at the wheel, assuming the car will do everything for them.

Got some bad news for you, long before semi-autonomous vehicles drivers were already switching off. People are easily distracted - and that's *everyone*, me, you and everyone on here is distracted at some point whilst driving, it's just how we work.
Study after study shows that the only difference between us is how much we realise we're distracted. Whether it's mobile phones, in car gadgets or merely thinking about a meeting, what we're having for tea or wondering if our partner will be up for a bit when we get home.

Any system that can help with our distractions should be embraced and so far I haven't seen any evidence that such systems encourage folk to "turn off" - and even if they did as long as they represent an overall positive improvement then that's a plus.

The rest of your post is the usual anti autonomous nonsense.
We're nothing like decades away from full automation.
Consider that a decade ago cars struggled following the lines in the road, today the best are driving and parking quite happily and that includes navigating around pedestrians and cyclists.
We've come that far in ten years and the systems are improving exponentially and so quickly that improvements are being rolled out over the air almost weekly to existing vehicles. Imagine that, the cars become better drivers on a weekly basis!

One company has just announced a processor "wafer" for AI applications that's 10,000 times faster than current systems.
A few years ago AI used generic computing to do its stuff but now we're developing systems that are specialised. Things are about to get very interesting.

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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby landsurfer » 2 Dec 2020, 12:38pm

peetee wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote: ........Time and a place for high performance vehicles, track days .. drag racing.......

And therein lies the problem, people are using public roads as their track days and drag strips, and without a police presence it's more evident.


Maybe we need a Speeding Vaccine ..... :roll:
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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby sjs » 2 Dec 2020, 1:08pm

rareposter wrote:
thirdcrank wrote:Autonomous vehicles are coming to a dealership near you sooner than you think.


Far worse than that. SEMI-autonomous vehicles are already here and as a result, many drivers are essentially "switching off" at the wheel, assuming the car will do everything for them.


Well I think my Tesla is supposed to have a capability to be semi-autonomous, at least on motorways. But the more of its features I've tried out the more nervous I get. It's much more relaxing to turn them all off.

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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby simonineaston » 2 Dec 2020, 1:39pm

...and meanwhile, that apogee of high performance cars, our own Aston Martin, much favoured by firm-jawed agents with a licence to kill, although not, presumably, by using the car as the weapon, are busily trying to muddy the waters with respect to the way forward. They are somehow connected with a report which got some traction in the media (complete with a contribution from Labour MP Matt Weston), down-playing the potential improvements gained by going electric. Whether or not this is connected by their apparent slowness to get going with conversion to 'leccy is up to the reader to decide!
Regardless of the exact differences between fossil-fuel and 'leccy driven vehicles, it's a shame they can't get with the programme and do what other players are trying to do, which is to work hard at making next generation vehicles better & smarter, now that the internal combustion engine is heading inexorably towards the (recycling) bin.
The trouble is, if we think the current crop of knuckle-dragging drivers, high on cocaine, pumped with testosterone and their skill & experience severely limited by bravado & nil training, represent a threat when they're sat behind the wheel of (say) an Audi RS model, then just wait 'till they get behind the wheel of one of the new electric hotties with their potential for near silent sub-3 second nought-to-sixty times...
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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby kwackers » 2 Dec 2020, 2:11pm

simonineaston wrote:...and meanwhile, that apogee of high performance cars, our own Aston Martin, much favoured by firm-jawed agents with a licence to kill, although not, presumably, by using the car as the weapon, are busily trying to muddy the waters with respect to the way forward. They are somehow connected with a report which got some traction in the media (complete with a contribution from Labour MP Matt Weston), down-playing the potential improvements gained by going electric. Whether or not this is connected by their apparent slowness to get going with conversion to 'leccy is up to the reader to decide!

There's a lot of debunking of their report but this Guardian article is probably a good starting point.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/02/aston-martin-pr-firm-anti-electric-vehicle-study

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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby Bmblbzzz » 2 Dec 2020, 3:29pm

peetee wrote: Cars are so cosseting these days that I don’t think the average driver has any idea how their presence, speed and positioning affects other un-cocooned road users. Most of the situations that appear threatening to us as cyclists (and, largely for pedestrians too) ie speed, speed of approach, proximity, tyre and engine noise are being filtered and diluted by the vehicle so when challenged the driver considers themselves without fault. “I gave you loads of room” “What you moaning about? I didn’t hit you, did I?” Excessive speed is commonplace. Not just in absolute terms such as speed limits, but such that the dynamics of vehicles create the expectation that higher average speed is possible in most situations and when delays and obstructions occur drivers are less inclined to deal with them in a calm, measured and considerate manner; cars are getting faster but horses and cyclist are not.

I very much agree with this. The 'cosseting effect' is all the more serious for having crept up in degrees and for seeming desirable. Who wants an uncomfy car?

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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby DaveGos » 2 Dec 2020, 3:45pm

Slightly off subject , but every builders van and tractor now seems to have a large trailer attached permanently and do they go any slower ?

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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby reohn2 » 2 Dec 2020, 5:38pm

landsurfer wrote:
reohn2 wrote:And therein lies the problem, people are using public roads as their track days and drag strips, and without a police presence it's more evident.


Maybe we need a Speeding Vaccine ..... :roll:

I think it's called traffic police :wink:
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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby Bonefishblues » 2 Dec 2020, 5:39pm

reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:
reohn2 wrote:And therein lies the problem, people are using public roads as their track days and drag strips, and without a police presence it's more evident.


Maybe we need a Speeding Vaccine ..... :roll:

I think it's called traffic police :wink:

I think age is a more effective one.

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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby landsurfer » 2 Dec 2020, 5:41pm

Bonefishblues wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:
Maybe we need a Speeding Vaccine ..... :roll:

I think it's called traffic police :wink:

I think age is a more effective one.


Don't you believe it .... 63 and getting faster all the time .... :lol:
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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby reohn2 » 2 Dec 2020, 6:00pm

Bonefishblues wrote: I think age is a more effective one.

IME age brings it's own problems :?
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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby reohn2 » 2 Dec 2020, 6:00pm

landsurfer wrote:Don't you believe it .... 63 and getting faster all the time .... :lol:

What on a RE Himalayan? :wink:
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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby landsurfer » 2 Dec 2020, 6:11pm

reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:Don't you believe it .... 63 and getting faster all the time .... :lol:

What on a RE Himalayan? :wink:


Dead right .... what you riding ?
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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby reohn2 » 2 Dec 2020, 6:31pm

landsurfer wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:Don't you believe it .... 63 and getting faster all the time .... :lol:

What on a RE Himalayan? :wink:


Dead right .... what you riding ?

2020 Honda CB500X :)

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Re: High Performance Cars

Postby landsurfer » 2 Dec 2020, 9:28pm

Nice ... a lot more than i could afford .... but nice.
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