Cyclists lIves and Long Vehicles

Commuting, Day rides, Audax, Incidents, etc.
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meic
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Postby meic » 24 Oct 2008, 11:38pm

The Cemix concrete mixers have a no cycling badge on the left-rear side.
I always found this very annoying when they shaved me off. Or after they had pulled alongside me and I saw this after they left.
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Postby fidothh » 25 Oct 2008, 6:36pm

i don't hink the lights would hurt. idiot cyclists would maybe start to rely on them, but they'd probably just be idiots another way anyway.

i don't trust long vehicles. i sit behind them if i'm not sure i can get past before the lights change and i only ride at around 14 most of the time so i wouldn't usually overtake in normal traffic unless the traffic is REALLY heavy.

one thing to watch is busses. busses accelerating stupidly fast to get past you then immediately pull in in front of you and stop at a bus stop. you almost hit them and there's never enough time to see if you'll fit into the traffic going round the bus. so you end up sat behind a bus trying to filter back into traffic grr

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Postby meic » 25 Oct 2008, 10:38pm

Not all buses wait until they are infront before pulling in, or turning left.
Many think that if the driver is past you then the bus is too.
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Postby Ben Lovejoy » 27 Oct 2008, 10:31am

Like others, I can't see any benefit in this proposal.

If you really want to reduce deaths from this situation, the two things to do are (1) cyclist education (the biggest life-safer by far) and (2) removal of railings at junctions (but then you may get more pedestrian deaths).

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Postby Gisen » 27 Oct 2008, 7:03pm

Best way to reduce deaths is bus and HGV driver education.

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Postby Ben Lovejoy » 27 Oct 2008, 7:08pm

Gisen wrote:Best way to reduce deaths is bus and HGV driver education.

I see far more cyclists putting themselves into the danger zone than I do HGVs doing it for them. Cyclist education will save the most lives.

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Postby meic » 27 Oct 2008, 8:24pm

It would be a good idea for older kids to take an Advanced RoSPA test (or of course CTC Proficiency) As the basic test just isnt even near to this level. Possibly aged 14 or so.
The bait of a day off lesons should get a high take up. The course would of course be just as useful to the country whether they later use a cycle or other vehicle.
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Postby Gisen » 27 Oct 2008, 9:13pm

Ben Lovejoy wrote:
Gisen wrote:Best way to reduce deaths is bus and HGV driver education.

I see far more cyclists putting themselves into the danger zone than I do HGVs doing it for them. Cyclist education will save the most lives.

Ben


I see far more HGVs, delivery vans, buses, cars and taxis cutting up cyclists than I do cyclists choosing to sit in blind spots of large vehicles. Driver education will save most lives.

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Postby meic » 27 Oct 2008, 9:17pm

I would guess that Ben cycles in London and Gisen doesnt.
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Postby Ben Lovejoy » 27 Oct 2008, 9:42pm

meic wrote:I would guess that Ben cycles in London and Gisen doesnt.

I would guess that too :-)
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Postby fidothh » 28 Oct 2008, 3:00pm

maybe the answer is to educate both sets of people.

i've often thought about registration for cyclists like they have for cars. so that maybe cyclists would take fewer risks and do fewer things if they knew they could be called on it because someone has their reg plates.

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Postby kwackers » 28 Oct 2008, 3:22pm

fidothh wrote:maybe the answer is to educate both sets of people.

i've often thought about registration for cyclists like they have for cars. so that maybe cyclists would take fewer risks and do fewer things if they knew they could be called on it because someone has their reg plates.


Can't think of a faster way to get people off bikes and into cars.