Another footballer escapes driving ban

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Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby james01 » 14 Jul 2011, 9:48am

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... harge-club

"Needs to travel to find work". Bless him.

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby Robzere31 » 14 Jul 2011, 10:00am

No big surprise there, always been one rule for people with money & one for the rest of us.

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby NUKe » 14 Jul 2011, 11:44am

If his licence was so essential to him he should have stuck within the rules in the first place?
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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby Coffee » 14 Jul 2011, 11:56am

Everyone on "jobseekers" is owed a car then!

Public transport...pah!
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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby R_nger » 14 Jul 2011, 2:51pm

What is the normal punishment with no previous convictions ?

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby james01 » 14 Jul 2011, 3:23pm

R_nger wrote:What is the normal punishment with no previous convictions ?


It's an immediate ban for 100+ mph in a 70mph limit, but the court has a discretion not to impose it. So basically if you've got the cash you'll get off.
One of the unusual and admirable aspects of the drink-driving laws is that it's virtually impossible to buy your way out of a ban if you're caught. Why on earth didn't they apply similar rules to speeding??

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby gilesjuk » 14 Jul 2011, 5:56pm

Probably hired Mr Loophole. He gets most people off a ban.

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby recumbentpanda » 14 Jul 2011, 9:21pm

On our side of town, which is literally, 'the wrong side of the tracks' we don't get the posh free colour magazine that gets pushed through the rich people's letterboxes, so that estate agents, solicitors and quack doctors can advertise at them . . . so I only get to see the odd back issue. One in particular was deeply shocking. It contained a whole page 'advertorial' article from a firm of solicitors evidently specialising in getting people off speeding raps (even serial offenders) so that they could 'carry on with their lives/businesses'. It gave all sorts of interesting legal advice, but one possible tip was conspicuous by its absence: Slow the F... down Muppet!

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby Graham O » 15 Jul 2011, 7:38am

The puzzling thing to me is that people with money are usually best placed to serve a ban as they can afford taxis or chaffeurs. (I was going to say that as an ex Premier league footballer, but I'm don't know if West Ham are/were premier league and that would only show the extent of my knowledge of football.) But if they can afford the penalty with ease, is it really a deterrent? The Finnish system of a speeding fin related to earnings has something to commend it.

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby reohn2 » 15 Jul 2011, 8:54am

Justice,Ah,well,hmmm..............
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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby iviehoff » 15 Jul 2011, 9:53am

Graham O wrote:The Finnish system of a speeding fin related to earnings has something to commend it.

Curiously we did experiment with that here, and it was not deemed a success. That was because they messed up the implementation. The method they devised for determining earnings was too administratively burdensome.

I think there was a pilot implementation in south Wales. One of the main cases that obtained substantial publicity as to why it didn't work was a case where someone refused to cooperate with providing evidence of income, was given a large fine on the assumption he was rich, but because in fact he was poor he then complained to the newspapers. One could say that was his own fault, but the other reality was that a large fine was unenforceable on him, which brought the process into disrepute. The real problem was that relying on the convicted party to give evidence of their income was a daft idea. I think in Finland and other countries where they do this the authorities can just look up evidence of your income on the national tax database and set your fine on that. To make such an idea work, clearly you need something like that.

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby kwackers » 15 Jul 2011, 9:59am

iviehoff wrote:the authorities can just look up evidence of your income on the national tax database and set your fine on that. To make such an idea work, clearly you need something like that.

That's us stuffed then, most wealthy people have a good working knowledge of tax scams.

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby thirdcrank » 15 Jul 2011, 10:04am

My memory of the unit fine system - or whatever they called it - was that some well-off people got some pretty hefty fines for summary offences. IIRC, the media revelled in publishing examples of "respectable" people getting a whacking fine for doing something characterised as trivial - often involving driving - while "real" criminals were being "let off."

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby james01 » 15 Jul 2011, 12:35pm

Fines are almost an irrelevance, even for less affluent people. A driving ban with no allowance for mitigating circumstances would be much more effective.

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Re: Another footballer escapes driving ban

Postby itshimitis » 15 Jul 2011, 12:59pm

The Canadian model is an interesting one. There if you are caught doing more than 160km/h (I believe this is the speed) the ban is immediate at roadside and you lose the car