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A realistic sentence

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby Malaconotus » 17 Dec 2011, 12:26am

Grandad wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-16225697

Watch out for an appeal?


Two previous convictions for drink-driving, which account for the sentence being more realistic, so I would hope the sentence would be upheld on appeal.

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby Grandad » 17 Dec 2011, 12:39am

Ah, that was not in the BBC report.

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby gilesjuk » 17 Dec 2011, 12:44am

Cue my drinking licence idea. If caught drink driving you have to either surrender your driving licence or drinking licence.

Without a drinking licence you can't buy booze. All pubs would need to see it before selling booze to someone. It might kill off the round though.

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby hubgearfreak » 17 Dec 2011, 12:55am

gilesjuk wrote:Cue my drinking licence idea. If caught drink driving you have to either surrender your driving licence or drinking licence.


seriously? :?

why shouldn't one drink whilst having no intention of driving, or one drive whilst having no intention of drinking?
i can do both in a week - do i need to re-apply between fri afternoon and the following tuesday?

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby thirdcrank » 17 Dec 2011, 8:46am

There are already regulations in place intended to ensure that anybody who might present an extra drink drikve risk, does not get their licence back without additional checks eg repeat offenders, offenders with a high blood/ alcohol reading and those who refuse to provide a specimen. I posted a link to a newspaper report suggesting that these procedures had not been followed, resulting in thousands of drivers wrongly getting their licences back. A small number of tghese had gone on to be involved in a drink-related fatal collision. I was surprised it seemed to attract little interest.

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby Cunobelin » 17 Dec 2011, 9:27am

thirdcrank wrote:There are already regulations in place intended to ensure that anybody who might present an extra drink drikve risk, does not get their licence back without additional checks eg repeat offenders, offenders with a high blood/ alcohol reading and those who refuse to provide a specimen. I posted a link to a newspaper report suggesting that these procedures had not been followed, resulting in thousands of drivers wrongly getting their licences back. A small number of tghese had gone on to be involved in a drink-related fatal collision. I was surprised it seemed to attract little interest.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58409



A very valid and sadly true point

There is very little in the way of bad driving and motoring offences that is not already covered by adequate and sensible legislation, accompanied by realistic and meaningful sentences.

If only we could get the Police, or more commonly the courts to use them

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby reohn2 » 17 Dec 2011, 9:28am

I'll repeat my reply to TC's thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58409 :-

Its no surprise as much as its a disgrace.
Of course anyone who's health is in question should have a full medical exam
Anyone who been off the road for 12months should at least be accessed for his/her driving ability by a test examiner,over 12 months it should be a full retest.
All costs born by the potential driver.

PS, I'm dreaming again aren't I ?


Society can't stop people getting legless but it can stop them driving(legally) if they break the law and it can make it so they have to prove they are capable of driving again,by resitting their test.

If this woman has previous D&D convictions IMHO she should never drive again,how many chances does society give someone before it says enough is enough,you're not capable of being trusted to drive safely.
Eight years is about right for the taking of a life in such aweful circumstances IMO.
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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby snibgo » 17 Dec 2011, 11:45am

In the OP, I notice the pub was only 2 miles from the driver's home, a distance most people could cycle or even walk. It was a Friday evening, so she perhaps could have collected her car the next morning.

More details about the drunken killer's actions, including trying to escape by taking a passer-by's car: http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liv ... 9969561/2/

Very sad. RIP.

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby thirdcrank » 17 Dec 2011, 2:39pm

Going back to the earliest days of the breathalyser, there has been a feeling in some quarters that the police should not routinely test drivers leaving pub car parks as though it's a bit unsporting, like punching below the belt, fishing for salmon with dynamite, or hunting foxes with pump-action shotguns. I've never really gone along with that, because the primary object of an efficient police is the prevention of crime.

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby Ayesha » 17 Dec 2011, 5:02pm

I have a 'Drinking licence'.

Its also called my 'Birth certificate'. The date on it is more than eighteen years ago.


While in California, I waited and waited in a queue of cars to be confronted with a 'sobriety check'. An unannounced check for drink-drivers. As I am not a drinker when I drive, I had a short chat with the police lady and then went on my way. There was a large Paddy Wagon being filled with motorists and a couple of car transporters being loaded in a side road.

Why doesn't that happen in the UK?

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby hubgearfreak » 17 Dec 2011, 5:12pm

thirdcrank wrote:the police should not routinely test drivers leaving pub car parks as though it's a bit unsporting


i don't go along with that either. drink driving isn't a sport

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby hubgearfreak » 17 Dec 2011, 5:16pm

reohn2 wrote:Society can't stop people getting legless


it would be undesirable to try, even if it was possible. for millions of people tonight, a few glasses of wine or beer is a perfectly social way to relax and wash down one's dinner, or play darts, or do disco dancing. it also helps top up the tax - pot. if it wasn't for us, you'd have to stump up more, or have less services.

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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby reohn2 » 18 Dec 2011, 12:40am

hubgearfreak wrote:
reohn2 wrote:Society can't stop people getting legless


it would be undesirable to try, even if it was possible. for millions of people tonight, a few glasses of wine or beer is a perfectly social way to relax and wash down one's dinner, or play darts, or do disco dancing. it also helps top up the tax - pot. if it wasn't for us, you'd have to stump up more, or have less services.


What has that got to do with drinking and driving?

Thanks once again Hubbers for quoting me out of context
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Re: A realistic sentence

Postby karlt » 18 Dec 2011, 11:56am

thirdcrank wrote:Going back to the earliest days of the breathalyser, there has been a feeling in some quarters that the police should not routinely test drivers leaving pub car parks as though it's a bit unsporting, like punching below the belt, fishing for salmon with dynamite, or hunting foxes with pump-action shotguns. I've never really gone along with that, because the primary object of an efficient police is the prevention of crime.


Ditto hidden speed cameras. Main objection to them boils down to " 't i'n't fair if I don't know you're checking."