Bus Driver Road Rage

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Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby jochta » 23 Aug 2013, 2:11pm

This appeared on twitter today...

http://youtu.be/fp-G2bdt1_4

I'm shocked at the lack of knowledge of the Highway Code by professional drivers. Absolutely disgraceful.

Note that both cyclist and bus driver are guilty of overtaking on the zigzags of a pedestrian crossing (Rule 191). It's the exchange that comes later about cyclists having to use cycle paths and the safe distance for overtaking which is of interest.

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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby Mick F » 23 Aug 2013, 2:19pm

Just a little point.
Bicycles can overtake on the zigzags.
It's motor vehicles that are prohibited from overtaking.
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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby jochta » 23 Aug 2013, 2:28pm

Mick F wrote:Just a little point.
Bicycles can overtake on the zigzags.
It's motor vehicles that are prohibited from overtaking.


They are? Rule 191 doesn't make a distinction between vehicle types.

The actual law only refers to motor vehicles. Motor vehicle drivers are allowed to pass non motor powered vehicles on zig zag lines and non motor powered vehicles are allowed to pass vehicles stopped on the zig zag lines.


You learn something new every day! The ironic post of highway code knowledge :)

Still, the overtaking manoeuvre by the cyclist early on in the video isn't something I would endorse. The bus although starting to pull away may have been hiding a pedestrian. Cutting across the bus at the crossing between it and the oncoming traffic isn't the most sensible thing to do IMHO.

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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby Mick F » 23 Aug 2013, 2:34pm

I agree with you and Rule 191 of course, but if you look at the law bit, you'll see that it only applies to motor vehicles.

I raised this question on here before and it was explained to me. It was to do with a similar video - may have been a couple of months ago or more. Sorry, can't remember the thread.
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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby jochta » 23 Aug 2013, 2:35pm

Mick F wrote:I agree with you and Rule 191 of course, but if you look at the law bit, you'll see that it only applies to motor vehicles.

I raised this question on here before and it was explained to me. It was to do with a similar video - may have been a couple of months ago or more. Sorry, can't remember the thread.


I found this...

http://www.croydoncyclist.co.uk/overtaking-on-zigzags/

...which explains it quite nicely.

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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby Mark1978 » 23 Aug 2013, 2:38pm

There are some terrible bus drivers - of which these are good examples.

Problem is if you complain to the bus company, like I did with Go North East - they will just claim the driver left plenty of room. The company giving them cover to drive dangerously means the drivers feel at will to do so.

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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby Mick F » 23 Aug 2013, 2:39pm

None of this excuses the bus driver though! :evil:
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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby meic » 23 Aug 2013, 2:40pm

I dont think that MickF is entirely correct on that about the crossings.

The HC does not reflect the law accurately but the actual law is not as in favour of the cyclist as he remembers (if I remember correctly).

I think that vehicles can not overtake MOTOR vehicles within the zigzags and can not overtake any vehicle that has stopped to let peds cross.

So motorists can overtake cyclists at the crossings but cyclists can NOT overtake motorvehicles.

Will TC come along with a link to the law or somebody else drag it out of the old thread. :lol:
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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby [XAP]Bob » 23 Aug 2013, 2:50pm

Whole depot needs a visit from the police to explain the law - surely this kind of answer deserves licence revocation by the DVLA?
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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby boblo » 23 Aug 2013, 3:03pm

Trouble is, the cyclist does come over as a bit of a militant wally. Is it the case of have camera will find trouble to record? Not excusing the ignorance of the driver and his stooge but the cyclist just inflames the situation and who carries a copy of the HC unless he's looking for aggro?

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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby Mick F » 23 Aug 2013, 3:08pm

Agree.
I wouldn't have overtaken the bus like that.
The cyclist was out for a fight, even though he was in the right.
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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby jochta » 23 Aug 2013, 3:15pm

boblo wrote:Trouble is, the cyclist does come over as a bit of a militant wally. Is it the case of have camera will find trouble to record? Not excusing the ignorance of the driver and his stooge but the cyclist just inflames the situation and who carries a copy of the HC unless he's looking for aggro?


I thought that too TBH. No one carries a HC unless they are expecting confrontation??

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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby Adam S » 23 Aug 2013, 3:31pm

Agreed.
Time and again we see these videos. What's the point of chasing someone down? Has any good ever come of it? Either report it, or shake your head and move on, or post about it on a cycle forum ;) but don't make a public spectacle that only serves to antagonise.

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Re: Bus Driver Road Rage

Postby TonyR » 23 Aug 2013, 4:32pm

meic wrote:So motorists can overtake cyclists at the crossings but cyclists can NOT overtake motorvehicles.


As MartinC's link shows this is wrong. Motorists cannot overtake any vehicle at the crossings but cyclists can overtake anyone. They can even overtake faster than the speed limit.