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This made me sad on several levels

Postby brianleach » 3 Oct 2013, 12:33pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... rider.html

I found this terribly sad and indeed shocking.

The death is obviously shocking but so is the arrogance of the defendant.

So beware if a motorist brushes you and you are silly enough to fall off it is obviously your fault and "nothing to with me guv"

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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby brianleach » 3 Oct 2013, 12:43pm

I now she was found not guilty. Unbelievable.

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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby AndyBSG » 3 Oct 2013, 1:13pm

She said she was "surprised" to see Mr Pontin and his girlfriend suddenly coming towards her as she rounded the curve in the road, but felt they still had enough room to get past.


So she admitted overtaking by driving into the lane of oncoming traffic on a bend and was found not guilty?

I'm sorry but anyone who tries to overtake on a bend should be found guilty, full stop. As it was cyclists heading towards her they would have been probably been travelling at about 10-15MPH. If it had been a car coming the other way they would have been travelling MUCH faster so there is no way she had a safe distance to overtake.

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Postby meic » 3 Oct 2013, 1:17pm

Where as she almost got off on the universal "it was only a cyclist" basis.

Her argument is that the cyclist rode (or more accurately fell) into her path which was "safely :roll: " going past the cyclist, rather than into them.
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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby snibgo » 3 Oct 2013, 1:25pm

The trial continues.

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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby brianleach » 3 Oct 2013, 1:30pm

http://t.co/5I39ILVhCN

This appeared today on Twitter posted by Michael Hutchinson.

Sorry if my original post was confusing. I didn't realise she had been found not guilty then!!

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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby Mark1978 » 3 Oct 2013, 1:35pm

So it now official case law that overtaking into a blind bend is fine.

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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby meic » 3 Oct 2013, 1:42pm

I think you have misinterpreted the verdict, it is merely following the well established "it was only a cyclist" defence.
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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby Mark1978 » 3 Oct 2013, 1:51pm

It seems to have been the basis of the defence that the cyclists saw a car approaching at 50mph, and desperately tried to get out of the way, and in doing so fell off. It's true that the crash may not have occured if the cyclist didn't fall off; but at the same time the cyclist only fell off because she was desperately trying to save her own life from that of the approaching car.

IMO causing death by careless driving would be a MINIMUM.

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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby AndyBSG » 3 Oct 2013, 1:56pm

snibgo wrote:
The trial continues.


Unfortunately, the trial doesn't continue. She was found not guilty within three hours of the jury retiring to consider their verdict.

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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby MartinC » 3 Oct 2013, 2:15pm

Chilling. In the UK it appears that cyclists have no right to life. I despair.

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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby brianleach » 3 Oct 2013, 2:17pm

I suppose cynically cancer scientist v cyclist equals not a hope in hell of a guilty verdict

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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby Mick F » 3 Oct 2013, 2:24pm

I'm not taking side here, and not condoning the driver's actions.
Just giving an alternative view.
Shout at me if you want.

There was a jury of 12 good people. It was they who found the plaintive NG.

Why?

Maybe the Daily Telegraph hasn't published the whole facts of the case, just the bits that grab the headlines and keep the readers fed with "news". A sort of precis, and not the full story warts and all.
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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby meic » 3 Oct 2013, 2:30pm

It is pretty much the norm for motorists to pass me with less than a foot of safety space.
We all know that the Police attitude is "no contact-no problem" Basically the rules out there are "one wobble and you're dead".
She was a novice cyclist, she wobbled, she died.

Even if you dont wobble how can they punish a motorist who didnt do much different to the others and accidentally got a little bit too close?

"It was only a cyclist" is a pretty safe defence for any motorist, the North Europeans must look at these court cases with amazement.
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Re: This made me sad on several levels

Postby brianleach » 3 Oct 2013, 2:33pm

Who knows Mick you may be right.

However the report seemed pretty comprehensive to me and when I read the first report in the Times yesterday my jaw dropped at the breathtaking arrogance of the defendant.

12 good people maybe but I am afraid I refer to my previous post although perhaps I am being too cynical