How to stop me shouting?
Re: How to stop me shouting?
On the phone people are deaf, I'm just talking about normal motorists...
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Re: How to stop me shouting?
Hi,
Damned if you do and damned if you dont, who's the baddies here.
If I never had to look at or blurt / gestulate, I would be happy.
On a well known cycle route and a car (blue mail delivery) came from behind a wall and hedge , straight into my path, I just looked to study their next move, I did not have to turn my head or eyes and as I past them they blurted out some obscenity " what you staring at", probably to some how justify their actions.
You dont even have to make a noise....................
Dont let them and some of the softly softly posters make you feel bad, by doing a psychology number on you.
If you just happen to shout is that worse than them blasting you for bringing your presence to their attention
NO
I always say that when getting on my bike that In my mind I put on my invisable invinceable armour, then I take it off when I get home, better that than tommorows sidelines, If there is a better way lets hear it, shrinking wont make you invisable.............
Damned if you do and damned if you dont, who's the baddies here.
If I never had to look at or blurt / gestulate, I would be happy.
On a well known cycle route and a car (blue mail delivery) came from behind a wall and hedge , straight into my path, I just looked to study their next move, I did not have to turn my head or eyes and as I past them they blurted out some obscenity " what you staring at", probably to some how justify their actions.
You dont even have to make a noise....................
Dont let them and some of the softly softly posters make you feel bad, by doing a psychology number on you.
If you just happen to shout is that worse than them blasting you for bringing your presence to their attention
NO
I always say that when getting on my bike that In my mind I put on my invisable invinceable armour, then I take it off when I get home, better that than tommorows sidelines, If there is a better way lets hear it, shrinking wont make you invisable.............
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Re: How to stop me shouting?
I maybe get provoked, without pre-meditation, into shouting at other road users once a year. And it surprises me when I do. I try to remember that I/WE are the vulnerable ones on bikes and I am mightily concerned to avoid the very easily provoked disproportionate response. There are some very angry people out there on the roads, just looking for an excuse to let fly, and it is getting worse.
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Re: How to stop me shouting?
Wanna bet? Arm yourself with one of these. It contains all the French you'll ever need to learn....gentlegreen wrote:I'm hoping to retire to the French countryside, where having to learn another language will make swearing more of a challenge as well as much less necessary.
And "qu'est-ce que tu fous?" is good for starters...
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Re: How to stop me shouting?
I find that bellowing "HAVE A NICE DAY!" (and if I really can't suppress a gesture, I try to wave cheerfully or blow a kiss) is quite useful. They're usually out of the danger zone by the time they figure out whether I'm a cheerful idiot, or just being cynical … and it just might get their attention without adding much fuel to the fire.
In a similar vein I find the best thing to scream at a pursuing dog is "GET OFF THE COUCH!"
In both cases it's and attempt to defuse a dangerous situation by confusing the meagre intellect of your opponent. (No M'ludd,I did not mean to indicate that the driver of the white van has the brains of a two-year-old Labrador retriever — I have too much respect for Labrador retrievers to make such a suggestion. )
In a similar vein I find the best thing to scream at a pursuing dog is "GET OFF THE COUCH!"
In both cases it's and attempt to defuse a dangerous situation by confusing the meagre intellect of your opponent. (No M'ludd,I did not mean to indicate that the driver of the white van has the brains of a two-year-old Labrador retriever — I have too much respect for Labrador retrievers to make such a suggestion. )
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Re: How to stop me shouting?
I frequently give a sarcastic "Thank You !" and a thumbs-up when drivers have only very reluctantly stopped for me in a narrow space.
I especially enjoy doing that when I know they've actually only stopped because of the car following me.
My overall intent is to change the perception of cyclists as either the ones in the full hi-viz obediently glued to the gutter, or the hoodie with no lights.
I especially enjoy doing that when I know they've actually only stopped because of the car following me.
My overall intent is to change the perception of cyclists as either the ones in the full hi-viz obediently glued to the gutter, or the hoodie with no lights.
Re: How to stop me shouting?
Did a bit of shouting today. Mostly at the woman in the smart car waiting at a side road who looked straight at me. Then pulled out. To which I shouted something like "What the hell do you think you're doing!!!!" She was still looking straight at me while I was shouting.
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Re: How to stop me shouting?
Claireysmurf wrote:I didn't swear. I just shouted to get his attention...
Merry_Wanderer wrote:... I wouldn't worry about shouting "Oi" -
I find I shout "oi" almost without thinking, which is good because it's much quicker that way. It's certainly a lot faster than faffing with horns and bells. IMO it's much more likely to be heard than a bell anyway, and seems much less premeditated than fitting a strident horn.
Car drivers certainly can hear it. It may well be that it upsets some people but if ever it came to some subsequent review, it's not intrinsically offensive like swearing. "I feared a crash and instinctively screamed 'Oi' " seems entirely reasonable to me.
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thirdcrank wrote:I find I shout "oi" almost without thinking, which is good because it's much quicker that way. It's certainly a lot faster than faffing with horns and bells. IMO it's much more likely to be heard than a bell anyway, and seems much less premeditated than fitting a strident horn.
I do the same. I've even had a few of apologies from drivers who weren't out to get me but just didn't look properly.
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Re: How to stop me shouting?
Am with tigerbiten, naturalankling, and lollykat etc., on this. Oi is easily shouted, it's instinctive and frequently catches the drivers attention. It is not swearing and like others when I have used it in similar situation usually the driver stops and gives some sort visible sorry. Sounds like it was an angry driver and whatever you had done would have provoked a similar reaction.
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Re: How to stop me shouting?
I think that these incidents tend to provoke the inner caveman in us taking over our good sense. That fight-or-flight response, that was once necessary to reduce the risk of being eaten by a sabre-toothed tiger, is still present in us and comes into operation when something dangerous and sudden happens. It makes absolutely no sense to confront someone controlling a powerful and heavy machine when they just did something silly that in fact did us no harm, but that instinct comes into play and it is hard to control.
Re: How to stop me shouting?
Sometimes shouting "WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!" is very effective at stopping people driving into you. Of course it may upset them but the first priority is to avoid the immediate danger. If you're still around after that you deal with the consequences if there are any.
I think you need to differentiate betwen shouting a warning and remonstrating with people. The first is always a good thing the second may, or may not make you feel better depending on the outcome.
I think you need to differentiate betwen shouting a warning and remonstrating with people. The first is always a good thing the second may, or may not make you feel better depending on the outcome.
Re: How to stop me shouting?
I'm sure that my shouts are much louder than most alternatives, except a full-blown air horn. I usually have little difficulty making myself heard by motorists (on the rare occasions when it's necessary).
Wouldn't work for a lorry or tractor or something, of course...
Wouldn't work for a lorry or tractor or something, of course...
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Re: How to stop me shouting?
£35 for 140dB battery-power, against £19-£27 for the 115dB pumped AirZound, but I've tried neither - shouting is cheaper for the few times I need it and doesn't take up as much space on the (currently crowded) handlebars.
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