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BBC Five live

Postby tenderfoot » 27 Nov 2013, 6:45pm

The following comments were made a few minutes ago live on air by an imbecile claiming to represent London taxi drivers.: "There are videos that clearly show that the majority of cyclists ran red lights."
And : "The majority of cyclists are engaged in an unlawful activity." Both went unchallenged. Up until then I had always believed that telling lies on air was privilege that was extended only to politicians. Regarding the cycleways; "That should all be stopped." Oh Dear...

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Re: BBC Five live

Postby bikepacker » 27 Nov 2013, 6:56pm

File a formal complaint from the BBC's website. I have done on a number of occasions.
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Re: BBC Five live

Postby dazza500 » 27 Nov 2013, 8:10pm

Anyone who lets this sort of sorry claptrap go unchallenged shouldn't be broadcasting at all.

Typical knee jerk idiocy, yet cyclists continue to die by the dozens.

I don't recall any taxi drivers being mown down by bicycles.

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Re: BBC Five live

Postby Mark1978 » 27 Nov 2013, 8:22pm

Was the same on PM on Radio 4 the other day. Reading out listeners emails; which they hardly ever do. Saying the usual crap if all cyclists obeyed the law there would be no deaths etc. no opposing view and no challenge from the presenter

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Re: BBC Five live

Postby jonbott » 27 Nov 2013, 9:48pm

its always the same on radio cornwall :( bloke that does the afternoon phone in show hates cyclists,dogs and prices of carparks`but I own a bike`and the same bloke from Falmouth always rings in about the cyclists riding the wrong way up the street and not paying `roadtax` :roll:
I`m def too old for this!

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Re: BBC Five live

Postby tenderfoot » 27 Nov 2013, 10:02pm

Oddly enough, the idiot taxi driver claimed to ride a bike. Only he, apparently, was "careful where he rode it."

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Re: BBC Five live

Postby jezer » 28 Nov 2013, 12:15am

Perhaps that meant he didn't cycle on the road, in case his colleagues knocked him off :?
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Re: BBC Five live

Postby meic » 28 Nov 2013, 12:24am

tenderfoot wrote:Oddly enough, the idiot taxi driver claimed to ride a bike. Only he, apparently, was "careful where he rode it."



These claims of I have a bike or I ride a bike but these people...

always sound just like

I am not racist, some of my best friends are black/gay/Jewish/muslim but these people...
Yma o Hyd

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Re: BBC Five live

Postby jezer » 28 Nov 2013, 12:52am

I've certainly been accosted by a motorist who claimed to be a cyclist. Perhaps he was like my next door neighbour who has left a BSO in his back garden for at least four years without it being moved. I expect it's totally rusted up by now :cry:
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Re: BBC Five live

Postby kwackers » 28 Nov 2013, 8:44am

jezer wrote:I've certainly been accosted by a motorist who claimed to be a cyclist. Perhaps he was like my next door neighbour who has left a BSO in his back garden for at least four years without it being moved. I expect it's totally rusted up by now :cry:

I was knocked off on a roundabout once by a guy who claimed he thought the flashing red light directly beneath my bottom was an indicator saying I wanted to turn left. (Why left and not right?)
He also claimed to be a cyclist - presumably one that had never seen a bike light.

I think claiming to be something you're not is a fairly well used mechanism for adding weight to an opinion.

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Re: BBC Five live

Postby honesty » 28 Nov 2013, 10:21am

This comes from a "study" the LTDA did over 2 1 hour periods last month where they placed a camera on one junction and filmed the cyclists jumping read lights. Of the cycles at that junction 53% jumped the light. Therefore most did. Therefore cyclists are all law breakers.

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Re: BBC Five live

Postby honesty » 28 Nov 2013, 10:34am

you can see it here http://www.ltda.co.uk/#prettyPhoto/0/

Their data is obtained at the following places and times:

1 hour between 8:15pm and 9:15pm, 23rd of September, junction of Hackney road and Queensbridge road. - http://goo.gl/maps/yTxHr
1 hour between 7:35am and 8:35am , 15th of October, junction of Fortress road and Highgate road. - http://goo.gl/maps/Ya0oQ
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Re: BBC Five live

Postby pete75 » 28 Nov 2013, 10:36am

honesty wrote:This comes from a "study" the LTDA did over 2 1 hour periods last month where they placed a camera on one junction and filmed the cyclists jumping read lights. Of the cycles at that junction 53% jumped the light. Therefore most did. Therefore cyclists are all law breakers.



There you are then he wasn't wrong when he said "There are videos that clearly show that the majority of cyclists ran red lights."
And : "The majority of cyclists are engaged in an unlawful activity." The videos you mention show just that - albeit it by only a majority of 3%.

I'm sure there are also videos about which will show the majority of London taxi drivers drive with little, if any, consideration for other road users...

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Re: BBC Five live

Postby bikepacker » 28 Nov 2013, 1:47pm

Most drivers habitually break road traffic laws because they are ignorant of those laws. Last Sunday on the A422 between Broughton Hackett and Flyford Flavell a distance of about 4 miles, 23 drivers broke the law. For at least 3 miles this road has double white lines because it is peppered with blind bends and a narrow carriageway. As it is slightly downhill for a large part of the way I would be doing well over 10 mph on the white line sections. Yet all yes 100% of drivers overtook me crossing those lines or almost hitting my elbow to avoid oncoming traffic. I bet all would argue they are legally entitled to so. They are not.
Previously cycling into Upton on Severn a police car overtook me in the same circumstance when I was doing 15 mph.
The BBC and the Drive programme have constantly demonstrated an anti-cycling stance and will continue to do so unless more of us lodge formal complaints. Also the CTC has to play a bigger part in objecting and highlighting the law breaking of drivers.
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Re: BBC Five live

Postby ANTONISH » 28 Nov 2013, 1:54pm

I think a driver is allowed to cross a solid line if overtaking a slow moving vehicle (given only overtake if it is safe to do so.)
This enables a motorist to give reasonable clearance for a cyclist rather than squeezing between the cyclist and the white line.