Vote UKIP...

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pete75
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby pete75 » 2 Jun 2014, 8:28pm

tyreon wrote:Mjr: Greetings.

"Typical,thick Brit". Language,language. Now what if I had used the P-word?

Facts: I do get 'em wrong. Keep listening to our elected guv'ners. Have I got it right?...we won the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan?

Truble is,you never know who to believe in these days,do you? Well,I don't. I know when I was a young 'un,I used to question me political elders by protestation on the streets of the UK...to have my head put through windows by my own 'class mates'.

Think I'm a cross elector these days: a bit of G Galloway,Chris Packham and Nigel Farrage. An odd-ball. xxx


George Galloway and Nigel Farage eh? You seem to hold socialist nationalist views :D

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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby meic » 2 Jun 2014, 8:41pm

So do I! but for some reason we called it Plaid Cymru instead of Plaid Sosialiadd Genedlaethol.

Rather amusingly I think that it was only the Welsh and Scottish Nationalist Parties who were welcoming immigrants from the EU and asking for easier immigration.

There is a generally held belief that anything at all that has a connection with Herr Hitler must be inherently evil, be it a name, a moustache or anything.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby pete75 » 2 Jun 2014, 9:22pm

meic wrote:So do I! but for some reason we called it Plaid Cymru instead of Plaid Sosialiadd Genedlaethol.

Rather amusingly I think that it was only the Welsh and Scottish Nationalist Parties who were welcoming immigrants from the EU and asking for easier immigration.

There is a generally held belief that anything at all that has a connection with Herr Hitler must be inherently evil, be it a name, a moustache or anything.


When it involves Messrs Galloway and Farage it more than likely is.

Charles de Gaulle came out with a good definition of nationalism and patriotism.

"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first."

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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Flinders » 9 Jun 2014, 9:30pm

Psamathe wrote:
mjr wrote:As for "one can easily trade with other countries not in the EU" how much have you tried that?

Also, can our economy afford to lose even a small percentage of the existing EU trade.

When the recession hit I was surprised at how sensitive our economy was to pretty small %ages on negative growth. So to lose even a small part of the EU trade could set us back badly. And how would those losing their jobs feel about it? Plus, leaving the EU is not going to increase demand for our exports through the rest of the world.

Ian

Quite.
And many manufacturing companies from outside the EC locate factories here (and therefore provide jobs and taxes here) because this is a useful English-speaking base for them within the EU.
If we're out of the EU, there's no advantage to them being here. As there is already overcapacity in many markets due to the global recession, those that also have bases elsewhere in Europe will just close their factories here in preference to those they have elsewhere in the EU. And the rest will relocate PDQ.
EU companies, if they need to reduce headcount (as again, many do at the moment) will close their UK operations in preference to closing plants in the EU.
You'd be surprised how many job that will affect- very few manufacturing companies are British-owned these days.
It's a grim prospect.
And EU companies will tend to source components from companies within the EU too.

People have to understand that leaving the EU but keeping all the EU advantages in trading will not be an option, whatever people say. Thinking it will be is just living in la-la land.

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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Mick F » 9 Jun 2014, 9:35pm

Flinders wrote:People have to understand that leaving the EU but keeping all the EU advantages in trading will not be an option, whatever people say. Thinking it will be is just living in la-la land.
Scotland leaving the UK?
Hope you don't mind, but I thought I'd paraphrase you with respect to Scottish Independence.

People have to understand that leaving the UK but keeping all the UK advantages in trading will not be an option, whatever people say. Thinking it will be is just living in la-la land.
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Re: Vote UKIP...

Postby Psamathe » 9 Jun 2014, 9:51pm

Mick F wrote:Scotland leaving the UK?
Hope you don't mind, but I thought I'd paraphrase you with respect to Scottish Independence.

People have to understand that leaving the UK but keeping all the UK advantages in trading will not be an option, whatever people say. Thinking it will be is just living in la-la land.

When all the debate started I would have preferred Scotland remain part of UK. Now, I'm thinking better if they leave. What has finally convinced me is the Westminster politicians offering Scotland the devolved powers to set their own income tax rates (if they remain part of the UK). Traditionally you pay tax based on where the work is done (e.g. work in France though commute from UK, you pay French tax). So you might be doing the same job in one office whilst somebody doing the same job in another office a mile away on the same salary is paying a lower income tax rate. Or if based on where you live, the person you are sitting next to in the office doing the same job on the same salary might be paying lower income tax because they live a mile further north/south of you ! Completely unworkable.

As I understand it, currently Scotland gets more money per head from Westminster than e.g. England. So say Scotland then sets a lower income tax rate; equitable arrangement ? Bad enough at the moment with different regions getting different amounts per head from Westminster and getting additional advantages (e.g. free prescriptions, not having to pay tuition fees at University, etc.).

If it is a different country then very different situation.

Ian