If money was not an issue...

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby reohn2 » 3 Dec 2014, 3:16pm

In answer to the OP's question.If money wasn't an issue...
I'd like a frame with flexible tight radius bend fork ends and light tubeset with clearances to take 700x40mm actual size light tyres (GB's or Hypers) and mudguards.I'm not a lover of lugs or horizontal toptubes,so Tig welded or fillet brazed,compact design,brazeons to take a rack but not carry much weight 3 or 4kgs max,V or effective canti's,high headtube,low stand over,lowish BB.
Understated graphics,and a sober colour scheme,but not too sober eh! :wink:

It would basically be a lightweight Vaya with rim brakes and a flexible fork :)

That shouldn't cost a lot of dosh I'd have thought for the frameset with the right builder.
It would be built up with carefully chosen durable components,with an aimed for weight of around 9 to 10kgs.
Of course it would be steel or Ti
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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Tigerbiten » 3 Dec 2014, 3:22pm

As I cannot cope with two wheels anymore since my accident .......
I wouldn't mind trying a Newton Double Python .......
But that would be silly money .........
Or an Electric Full Fat ICE Trike ....
Again silly money ......
Both would be head turners and fun ........ :lol:

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Bikefayre » 3 Dec 2014, 4:02pm

A Bianchi road bike. Sadly have neither the money, health or knowledge to keep one. My dream bike was got for £300 about seven years ago a Land Rover G4 Challenge double suspension/double disc 26 ins mountain bike. Plus is one actually used on the expedition vehicles, well a spare, not a shop bought replica-beat that!

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby mjr » 3 Dec 2014, 6:23pm

Godlykepower wrote:....and you could have any bike and/or frameset, you desire, what would you go for and why?

I'd probably take a guess at geometry based on the current shed-full (probably closest to the roadster) and hire someone to find or build a bike like that with hub gears (an SA 3 or maybe some SRAM 5), hub brakes and dynamo lighting.
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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby LondonBikeCommuter » 4 Dec 2014, 8:59am

pliptrot wrote:The same money for a bike as a new car? No problem, Sir. Don't forget the multiple sets of carbon wheels (deep rimmed and shallow according to the wind) and the matching mountain bike. And the $400 shoes (wot, no leather?) and the Rapha clothing, of course. How much????

Sorry but that leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth (so to speak). If people earn it surely they're entitled to spend it however they wish. I know a couple of people with every expensive bikes and average jobs who got them through hard saving and skimping on other things. Your being horribly judgemental.

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby pliptrot » 4 Dec 2014, 10:58am

LondonBikeCommuter wrote: Your being horribly judgemental.
I'm just reflecting the general state of the industry - and in particular the focus of the cycling press- and the eye-watering prices asked for what is very simple machinery. This state of affairs is a result of the -by general assent- hopeless gullibility of cyclists. That's a judgement, I suppose, but nothing I wrote before was.

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby reohn2 » 4 Dec 2014, 11:21am

pliptrot wrote:
LondonBikeCommuter wrote: Your being horribly judgemental.
I'm just reflecting the general state of the industry - and in particular the focus of the cycling press- and the eye-watering prices asked for what is very simple machinery. This state of affairs is a result of the -by general assent- hopeless gullibility of cyclists. That's a judgement, I suppose, but nothing I wrote before was.


+1
If people want to spend stupid money on what is after all simple machinery it's their choice,but the gains are overwhelmingly in the head with little actual physical gain at all.
We get closer to owning for the sake of it as the price rises with most bicycles.Specialised one off's for specific needs(not wants)is a different thing.
But there are a lot of people of the opinion 'you are what you have' which is a sad outlook,but in a rich society people feel a need to show it off I suppose.
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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby mrjemm » 4 Dec 2014, 11:59am

reohn2 wrote:...but in a rich society people feel a need to show it off I suppose.


Really though, this is not confined to a rich society; it's base human nature and spread widely. As I see it, all levels of wealth throughout the world feel a need to show their superiority over fellow men. Status symbols are as big in poor societies as wealthy.

It pees me off that businesses, such as Moulton above, suck the teats of this concept dry. Increasing the cost of something clearly does not reduce the demand to the same level as it increases it's cachet/desireability. This process simply reduces the ownership of such products to the elite, who likely as not choose said items more for this percieved status than the enjoyment of use. Moulton's supposedly magical design and engineering is mute when the only relevant aspect of them is the value from parading ownership of such a highly priced possession.

Marketing. Speculation. Shallowness.

I can understand wanting something 'special' but sometimes these things are taken too far, and are just offensive.

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby al_yrpal » 4 Dec 2014, 12:14pm

mrjemm wrote:
reohn2 wrote:...but in a rich society people feel a need to show it off I suppose.


Really though, this is not confined to a rich society; it's base human nature and spread widely. As I see it, all levels of wealth throughout the world feel a need to show their superiority over fellow men. Status symbols are as big in poor societies as wealthy.

It pees me off that businesses, such as Moulton above, suck the teats of this concept dry. Increasing the cost of something clearly does not reduce the demand to the same level as it increases it's cachet/desireability. This process simply reduces the ownership of such products to the elite, who likely as not choose said items more for this percieved status than the enjoyment of use. Moulton's supposedly magical design and engineering is mute when the only relevant aspect of them is the value from parading ownership of such a highly priced possession.

Marketing. Speculation. Shallowness.

I can understand wanting something 'special' but sometimes these things are taken too far, and are just offensive.


+1… . but I am not offended by this sort of thing I just find it somewhat amusing, with a modicomb of pity. As Rehon2 says, if folk want to spend money they earned or inherited on such things thats up to them. Live and let live..

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Tonyf33 » 4 Dec 2014, 1:00pm

An item is worth what someone is prepared to pay for it, if Moulton or any other organisation make X at whatever price it is and buyers continue to outstrip supply why should they or any other business drop thir prices?
Does not lowering prices hint at a cost cutting not actually increasing quality?

ATEOTD if its £150 or £15,000, it isn't anyone's business what someone spends on a bike except between them & the seller, and as far as I know Dave Moulton is a British bike maker based in the UK paying UK tax and their exports to wherever in the world are surely to be applauded not derided? :?

And if a dream bike costing £15k lasts you say 30 years which isn't unheard of that's £1.37/day..about half a latte 8)

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby reohn2 » 4 Dec 2014, 1:27pm

mrjemm wrote:
Really though, this is not confined to a rich society; it's base human nature and spread widely. As I see it, all levels of wealth throughout the world feel a need to show their superiority over fellow men. Status symbols are as big in poor societies as wealthy.

I have to agree.



Marketing. Speculation. Shallowness.

I can understand wanting something 'special' but sometimes these things are taken too far, and are just offensive.

Again I agree and in a highly consumerist society the line becomes increasingly blurred especially when the Raleigh is gold plated :roll: :- Image
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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby beardy » 4 Dec 2014, 1:41pm

If you are inclined to buy a piece of Art (and to my mind the world of Art is one big mutual con-trick) then why not have it in the shape of a bicycle. Then if you have it nothing better than to ride it.
So you can enjoy it and others can see it.

I would like 2 953s hand made by Roberts one with a Rohloff for expensive maintenance free riding.
Then some nice high quality tadpole trike and a Velomobile for laughs.

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Thermostat9 » 4 Dec 2014, 1:44pm

mrjemm wrote:
reohn2 wrote:...but in a rich society people feel a need to show it off I suppose.


Really though, this is not confined to a rich society; it's base human nature and spread widely. As I see it, all levels of wealth throughout the world feel a need to show their superiority over fellow men. Status symbols are as big in poor societies as wealthy.

It pees me off that businesses, such as Moulton above, suck the teats of this concept dry. Increasing the cost of something clearly does not reduce the demand to the same level as it increases it's cachet/desireability. This process simply reduces the ownership of such products to the elite, who likely as not choose said items more for this percieved status than the enjoyment of use. Moulton's supposedly magical design and engineering is mute when the only relevant aspect of them is the value from parading ownership of such a highly priced possession.

Marketing. Speculation. Shallowness.

I can understand wanting something 'special' but sometimes these things are taken too far, and are just offensive.

Do you think wealthy people should not have toys?

I've ridden a Moulton New Series and I have a Moulton TSR, the difference as a bicycle is not that obvious, but as an object the New Series is way ahead. But I also have a completely restored 60's F-frame that only cost @£300 to do but that is also sublime and something I've 'created' and therefore perfect! :D

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby reohn2 » 4 Dec 2014, 1:48pm

al_yrpal wrote:
+1… . but I am not offended by this sort of thing I just find it somewhat amusing, with a modicomb of pity. As Rehon2 says, if folk want to spend money they earned or inherited on such things thats up to them. Live and let live..

Al


I'm just saddened that it's come to this,though TBH it was ever thus to a greater or lesser extent.
But taking it to it's logical conclusion the problems start when people who believe in having more deserves more.
When car drivers begin thinking that they've paid more for their vehicles and the necessary costs to run them,then believe(irrespective of the law of the land),and feel justified in bullying as they see them,lesser vehicles using their roads,the Mr Toad attitude.
Which is all too apparent when using our roads on a bicycle.
It becomes the poverty of affluence and sticks in my craw TBH.
A prime example of this was some months ago,when out for a ride both myself and an E class Merc on entering a mini r/about at exactly the same time at opposite sides,and both turning right,the woman driver decided she'd cut straight over the middle spot and head directly for me whilst shouting out of the window ''get out of my way'' :?
If she'd driven around the middle spot as I was riding around it,there'd have been no conflict,but she actually believed I shouldn't have been there,and this is by no means an isolated incident

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Thermostat9 » 4 Dec 2014, 1:50pm

reohn2 wrote:One man's meat and all that,I can appreciate the intricacy and workmanship but 'poet of steel forms'?
It isn't doing it for me.
FWIW it would have to have some serious cycling advantages for me,to warrant the price tag and it's(as I see it)ugliness.

It doesn't have to 'do it for you'. Just because someone else wants something doesn't mean you have to. :roll: