If money was not an issue...

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby MartinC » 3 Dec 2014, 9:21am

BigFoz wrote:...................Oh, and Delta brakes. The Deltas on my current nice weather bike are simply fantastic.


:D Ah, but you and I are clearly wrong because the current received wisdom is that Delta brakes are poor. Our knowledge is based purely on using them. But I digress............

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby mrjemm » 3 Dec 2014, 9:50am

Godlykepower wrote:Okay, I'm seeing that people around here like trikes and Moultons!

The trikes thing I can kind of see...they look fun, but Moultons? Someone is going to have to point out what I'm missing...they are ugly and look ridiculous and are so expensive. What's going on there then?


I'm finding myself in the other camp... Had a trike, and now I don't. Now fancy a Moulton stainless space-framey thingy (if money was no object of course), but with 26" wheels... Yeah yeah, I know, it'd defeat the whole concept, but 20" look wrong to me. Being custom would put it beyond the current top price of... £15,500. (Holey moley that is absolutely absurd, but there you go, says something about with fools with their money, conspicuous consumption, ego, fashion, so on, so forth).

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Thermostat9 » 3 Dec 2014, 10:20am

Godlykepower wrote:The trikes thing I can kind of see...they look fun, but Moultons? Someone is going to have to point out what I'm missing...they are ugly and look ridiculous and are so expensive. What's going on there then?

If you don't get it, that's fine. Carry on. No-one is making you have one. :roll:

But Alex Moulton developed the small wheeled bicycle in the late 50's because he saw problems with using the Victorian safety bicycle (he had a Hitchins) and discovered he could improve ride comfort, high performance, convenience and practicality in use by using a 'step through' frame with suspension, allied to small wheels with high pressure tyres to give comfort and load carrying ability.

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby 661-Pete » 3 Dec 2014, 10:24am

I think I'd have to spend the money on a bigger garage to keep all these wretched (n+1)+1+1+1+1.....'s in!
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Thermostat9 » 3 Dec 2014, 10:27am

mrjemm wrote:I'm finding myself in the other camp... Had a trike, and now I don't. Now fancy a Moulton stainless space-framey thingy (if money was no object of course), but with 26" wheels... Yeah yeah, I know, it'd defeat the whole concept, but 20" look wrong to me. Being custom would put it beyond the current top price of... £15,500. (Holey moley that is absolutely absurd, but there you go, says something about with fools with their money, conspicuous consumption, ego, fashion, so on, so forth).

26" wheels? :shock: You clearly don't get it (and the factory would not build you one!)

The New Series Double Pylon was a lot cheaper (£6000!) when it was launched but demand exceeded the capabilities of the factory to supply (it takes the best part of 2 weeks to make the frame!) so they raised the price until demand dropped and so you now only have to wait 9 months or so to get one. It almost certainly is not 'worth' what they are asking for it (especially as the 'plain' New Series is almost half the price) but who is to deny wealthy Asian enthusiasts their toys? The vast majority are exported to China, Japan, Taiwan and Thailand where they are highly treasured. Even the Prime Minister promoted them on a visit to China last year...

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby mrjemm » 3 Dec 2014, 10:46am

The Emporer's new wardrobe is made of Ivory this season...

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Bonefishblues » 3 Dec 2014, 10:48am

Thermostat9 wrote:
The New Series Double Pylon was a lot cheaper (£6000!) when it was launched but demand exceeded the capabilities of the factory to supply (it takes the best part of 2 weeks to make the frame!) so they raised the price until demand dropped and so you now only have to wait 9 months or so to get one.

...genuinely ignorant, (other than v-a-v the Moulton concept, spaceframe construction etc).
Why is it so special about these, in particular?

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Thermostat9 » 3 Dec 2014, 11:12am

Bonefishblues wrote:...genuinely ignorant, (other than v-a-v the Moulton concept, spaceframe construction etc).
Why is it so special about these, in particular?

The Double Pylon? An intricate 'pylon' seat post and head tube.

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When the Italian bicycle designer Alessandro Belli heard that Alex had died, he described him thus:

“Maestro Alex Moulton,poet of steel forms.”

Anyone who has ever gazed in wonder on a shining stainless steel spaceframe Moulton will know exactly what he means.

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Bonefishblues » 3 Dec 2014, 11:20am

Ah, obvious thing is obvious now you make me look at it.

They seem a bit coy about what exactly their "stainless steel" tubing is - any idea?

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Thermostat9 » 3 Dec 2014, 11:45am

Bonefishblues wrote:They seem a bit coy about what exactly their "stainless steel" tubing is - any idea?

No idea. Why would it matter?

(A quick Google suggests Reynolds 953)

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Bonefishblues » 3 Dec 2014, 11:53am

Thermostat9 wrote:
Bonefishblues wrote:They seem a bit coy about what exactly their "stainless steel" tubing is - any idea?

No idea. Why would it matter?

(A quick Google suggests Reynolds 953)

Nothing beyond an interest on my part and the failure to name it when looking at the spec of the bikes "aerospace grade" was the term. Just found it slightly at odds with their tech-heavy emphasis, that's all.

(After all, it's arguably the pinnacle of steel tubing, hard enough to weld on a regular frame never mind one with a load of holes in it, so were it me I'd be crowing from the rooftops (and mixing my metaphors :wink: ) about it).

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby squeaker » 3 Dec 2014, 1:17pm

Bonefishblues wrote:After all, it's arguably the pinnacle of steel tubing, hard enough to weld on a regular frame....
Weld!!!! :roll:'Braze' is the word you were looking for :wink:
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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Bonefishblues » 3 Dec 2014, 1:36pm

I am deeply ashamed, as you can imagine, at my brazen attempt to misrepresent the process used. Still, I'll solder on. :oops:

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby Pompey Monkey » 3 Dec 2014, 1:47pm

I'd be able to get my knees fixed! :)

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Re: If money was not an issue...

Postby reohn2 » 3 Dec 2014, 2:47pm

Thermostat9 wrote:When the Italian bicycle designer Alessandro Belli heard that Alex had died, he described him thus:

“Maestro Alex Moulton,poet of steel forms.”

Anyone who has ever gazed in wonder on a shining stainless steel spaceframe Moulton will know exactly what he means.


One man's meat and all that,I can appreciate the intricacy and workmanship but 'poet of steel forms'?
It isn't doing it for me.
FWIW it would have to have some serious cycling advantages for me,to warrant the price tag and it's(as I see it)ugliness.
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