Tipper crash in Bath

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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby hondated » 19 Jun 2016, 4:56pm

Vorpal wrote:A third person has been charged. All three are due to appear in court on the 1st July

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-36498348

Thanks for the update Vorpal I still feel for all those involved we lost their loved ones and wasn't she a gorgeous looking little girl.
Its also sad that those relatives will now have to go through the pain of having to sit and listen to why and how they lost their loved ones.

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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby reohn2 » 19 Jun 2016, 6:21pm

hondated wrote:
Vorpal wrote:A third person has been charged. All three are due to appear in court on the 1st July

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-36498348

Thanks for the update Vorpal I still feel for all those involved we lost their loved ones and wasn't she a gorgeous looking little girl.
Its also sad that those relatives will now have to go through the pain of having to sit and listen to why and how they lost their loved ones.

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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby DaveP » 2 Jul 2016, 2:20pm

Stumbled across it:

http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/driver-c ... z4DFVVncub
The truck driver is applying to have the charges against him dismissed.
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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby Redvee » 3 Jul 2016, 1:22am

DaveP wrote:Stumbled across it:

http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/driver-c ... z4DFVVncub
The truck driver is applying to have the charges against him dismissed.


Cause it wasn't his fault he drove down Lansdown Lane which has a 6 foot width restriction and depending on which direction he came from there is a sign saying 'Unsuitable for heavy goods vehicles'

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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby Vorpal » 3 Jul 2016, 9:51am

Redvee wrote:
DaveP wrote:Stumbled across it:

http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/driver-c ... z4DFVVncub
The truck driver is applying to have the charges against him dismissed.


Cause it wasn't his fault he drove down Lansdown Lane which has a 6 foot width restriction and depending on which direction he came from there is a sign saying 'Unsuitable for heavy goods vehicles'

We don't know, but I would speculate that it is based upon two or three things:
-the third person arrested is a mechanic, and at the time of the accident, it was widely reported that the brakes appeared to have failed
-he was said to be following another driver, or two other drivers, including his boss
-the sign at the top may have been missing or damaged
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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby Vorpal » 1 Aug 2016, 11:47am

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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby Tonyf33 » 2 Aug 2016, 2:25am

Vorpal wrote:
Redvee wrote:
DaveP wrote:Stumbled across it:

http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/driver-c ... z4DFVVncub
The truck driver is applying to have the charges against him dismissed.


Cause it wasn't his fault he drove down Lansdown Lane which has a 6 foot width restriction and depending on which direction he came from there is a sign saying 'Unsuitable for heavy goods vehicles'

We don't know, but I would speculate that it is based upon two or three things:
-the third person arrested is a mechanic, and at the time of the accident, it was widely reported that the brakes appeared to have failed
-he was said to be following another driver, or two other drivers, including his boss
-the sign at the top may have been missing or damaged

He's the driver, it's down to him to ensure his vehicle is roadworthy, he's the driver, ignoring signage directing you that a road is unsuitable is his resoponsibility alone, he's the driver, saying "I was just following orders" is never an excuse, or it bloody well should never be as in many, many cases courts have dismissed negliegence such as that previously, most notably at the Nuremburg trials.

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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby jezer » 2 Aug 2016, 8:10am

Even if the sign was missing, they were locals so would have known the steep hill was unsuitable for heavy vehicles.
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Tipper crash in Bath

Postby Heltor Chasca » 2 Aug 2016, 8:38am

jezer wrote:Even if the sign was missing, they were locals so would have known the steep hill was unsuitable for heavy vehicles.


Bang on. These people are skum who can't bear to take the consequences of their actions. I'm local to Bath and I understand fully their attitude. There's something very juvenile about local men around here. Lots are crawling with insecurities. I don't understand it. I'm sure it's not a unique demographic.

They should stand in that dock like real men and take the punishment they fully deserve.

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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby Vorpal » 2 Aug 2016, 12:39pm

I'm sure that all of that is true. I'm not sure that at 19, I could have said 'no' to my boss. And it may very well be something that he had seen him do before, done before, or knew about the practice of using that road. It may never even have occurred to him that there was anything wrong with driving down it, despite the restrictions.

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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby horizon » 2 Aug 2016, 12:54pm

Vorpal wrote: I'm not sure that at 19, I could have said 'no' to my boss.


I agree and that's why a few more people should be in the dock like those at the Department for Transport who allow 19 year olds to drive tipper trucks. If he was properly trained, properly experienced and properly tested this accident may not have happened. If he was indeed properly trained, properly experienced and properly tested then he must accept responsibility - we cannot have it both ways. Two years' driving experience (at the most) isn't enough at that age - we have seen the result.
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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby reohn2 » 2 Aug 2016, 2:01pm

horizon wrote:
Vorpal wrote: I'm not sure that at 19, I could have said 'no' to my boss.


I agree and that's why a few more people should be in the dock like those at the Department for Transport who allow 19 year olds to drive tipper trucks. If he was properly trained, properly experienced and properly tested this accident may not have happened. If he was indeed properly trained, properly experienced and properly tested then he must accept responsibility - we cannot have it both ways. Two years' driving experience (at the most) isn't enough at that age - we have seen the result.


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19 is to young and too inexperienced to be driving HGV's and similarly so huge and powerful tractors and trailers being driven by young men of the same age.
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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby bigjim » 2 Aug 2016, 2:35pm

As far as I'm aware it's illegal to drive a HGV at 19. It was always 21 [unless in the Armed Forces]and also virtually impossible to do so at 21, as insurance was not available to anybody under 25.
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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby mjr » 2 Aug 2016, 2:58pm

bigjim wrote:As far as I'm aware it's illegal to drive a HGV at 19. It was always 21 [unless in the Armed Forces]and also virtually impossible to do so at 21, as insurance was not available to anybody under 25.

The tipper truck was an LGV and you can take that test from 18, according to http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-31454693 - which also says the driver had experience with farm vehicles so might have been driving big things for years, although that wouldn't be on-road experience.
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Re: Tipper crash in Bath

Postby bigjim » 2 Aug 2016, 3:40pm

mjr wrote:
bigjim wrote:As far as I'm aware it's illegal to drive a HGV at 19. It was always 21 [unless in the Armed Forces]and also virtually impossible to do so at 21, as insurance was not available to anybody under 25.

The tipper truck was an LGV and you can take that test from 18, according to http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-31454693 - which also says the driver had experience with farm vehicles so might have been driving big things for years, although that wouldn't be on-road experience.

HGV is LGV. Govenment lowered the age to 18 in 2009 because of a percieved shortage of drivers. However. I quote-
"The government has changed the rules again and from 19th January next year (2013) you will have to be 21 to drive an LGV."
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