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ASL fixed penalty

Postby The fat commuter » 11 Mar 2015, 8:00pm

Was investigating on Money Saving Expert how to overturn a parking invoice (but that's another story) when I came across this thread:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/sho ... ?t=5193655

I remember reading on here how no one had heard of anyone being 'done' for being in an ASL box - well, there you go. Wonder how his/her appeal goes?

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Re: ASL fixed penalty

Postby Postboxer » 11 Mar 2015, 8:33pm

Isn't the problem that it doesn't get recorded as a separate offence, just as 'failing to stop at a red light' so there's no official figures for it?

Someone on the MSE forum asked if it was reasonable to expect a group of cyclists who have gathered in an advanced stop box to ride in single file and on the left.

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Re: ASL fixed penalty

Postby snibgo » 11 Mar 2015, 9:03pm

There was a recent case on Pepipoo, where I think the OP was on a motorbike.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=97149

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Re: ASL fixed penalty

Postby ArMoRothair » 11 Mar 2015, 9:25pm

I wonder could I persuade that copper to move his beat to my neighbourhood.

I was doing a few laps of the local park today and at one particular junction there is always a problem with cars in the mandatory bike lane and ASL. This morning, for some reason, it was worse than normal.

I noticed there was a police Astra parked opposite watching the junction.

After several circuits, each time being shouldered out of the bike lane by the queues of cars, I went over to the officer seated in the car and explained my concern. He sighed and while on the surface he emphasised with my plight he was nevertheless firm that he wouldn't do anything about it because if the cars couldn't use the bike lane and ASL "it would cause more congestion".

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Re: ASL fixed penalty

Postby Mick F » 12 Mar 2015, 2:20pm

Not the same, but the same idea ............

Years ago, I complained about lorries driving on the twisty windy A390 between Gunnislake and Tavistock. Not the lorries particularly, but that they crossed and straddled the double white lines for much of the journey. This is illegal despite their size. If they went very slowly and carefully, they could avoid breaking the law.

When I complained, I got the same reply as you. If the lorries had to NOT cross or straddle the double white lines, it would cause more congestion.

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Re: ASL fixed penalty

Postby GrumpyGit » 12 Mar 2015, 10:32pm

So many whingeing drivers over there, when will they understand a simple rule?

IF YOU'RE NOT ON A BICYCLE, STAY OUT OF THE BICYCLE BOX!
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Re: ASL fixed penalty

Postby beardy » 13 Mar 2015, 8:20am

That would mean them having to drive on the wrong side of the road at busy junctions, not a very practical solution.

We have to accept that they have every right to drive through the ASLs and that sometimes means they will have to stop there too. We are not going to get the level of policing needed to catch those who enter it when a red light is showing. Though some drivers are, as is common, mistaking a lack of enforcement for a a lack of a law.

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Re: ASL fixed penalty

Postby Vorpal » 13 Mar 2015, 8:23am

beardy wrote:We have to accept that they have every right to drive through the ASLs and that sometimes means they will have to stop there too. We are not going to get the level of policing needed to catch those who enter it when a red light is showing.

It doesn't need policing. It only needs enforcement cameras.
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Re: ASL fixed penalty

Postby snibgo » 13 Mar 2015, 3:45pm

Enforcement is currently done with a detector loop under the road after the second stop line, and a camera pointing at that area. These could be moved to the first stop line. Technically, not difficult.

It would take motorists some time to realise that a red light means "don't cross the first stop line". Judging by cases on Pepipoo, motorists often don't realise that the stop line defines the offence. (I could say something similar about many cyclists.)

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Re: ASL fixed penalty

Postby [XAP]Bob » 15 Mar 2015, 5:25pm

snibgo wrote:Enforcement is currently done with a detector loop under the road after the second stop line, and a camera pointing at that area. These could be moved to the first stop line. Technically, not difficult.

It would take motorists some time to realise that a red light means "don't cross the first stop line". Judging by cases on Pepipoo, motorists often don't realise that the stop line defines the offence. (I could say something similar about many cyclists.)


And of course the loop knows whether it was activated before/after the light turned red...

I imagine I'd have a few photo's taken (since I'm set up to trigger said loops) but it should be fairly easy to adjust the sensitivity - they manage it on various traffic light controlled junctions ;)
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