Off road history.

Trips, adventures, bikes, equipment, etc.
reohn2
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Re: Off road history.

Postby reohn2 » 7 Dec 2018, 12:04pm

I've been riding offroad since I was about 9 years old and have ridden anything from Audax machines to touring bikes through to MTB's
My current 'stable's is:-
Salsa Vaya
Genesis Vagabond
Genesis Longitude

I've never ridden a suspension bike of any kind but the Longitude has a Crane Creek LT Thudbuster fitted.
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amediasatex
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Location: Sunny Devon! just East of the Moor

Re: Off road history.

Postby amediasatex » 11 Dec 2018, 10:18am

reohn2 wrote:I've never ridden a suspension bike of any kind


I'm curious, is that an active decision based on your requirements or a case of just not having had the opportunity to try one? (I mean properly, beyond a car-park style test).

reohn2
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Re: Off road history.

Postby reohn2 » 11 Dec 2018, 10:44am

amediasatex wrote:
reohn2 wrote:I've never ridden a suspension bike of any kind


I'm curious, is that an active decision based on your requirements or a case of just not having had the opportunity to try one? (I mean properly, beyond a car-park style test).

It's a bit of both really,I've never found a need for suspension as I'm not particularly an adrenalin junkie,as I ride off road to get out into nature and reason that suspension adds weight,involves more maintenance and there's little provision for a decent mudguarding.
That's not to say I've anything against suspension but as I'm getting older keep taking a sideways glance that way at perhaps a hardtail MTB.
I was recently climbing a particularly rough double track on my Vagabond(drops & 2in Conti RaceKings)when a chap on a full sus MTB passed me and commented that I would "find it hard up here without suspension" and shot off,he was half my age(I'm 65).Little did he know I've been riding that that hill for 40 years without suspension and in times past on much a smaller tyre than 2inch too :) .

I enjoy the total concentration needed to pick path though really rough tracks rather than blasting over them letting the suspension smooth out the route.I have 700 x 2.4inch on my Longitude which I really enjoy riding at really low TP's,to each his own :) .
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amediasatex
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Re: Off road history.

Postby amediasatex » 11 Dec 2018, 11:37am

Thanks reohn2, I was just curious! As you might have noted from my earlier post I have quite a lot of experience on various suspension bikes, but I also have and enjoy some fully rigid machines.

I totally understand your thoughts about concetration, I've done several 12 and 24hr events on fully rigid single speeds precisely because it removes other distractions and annoyances that can be make-or-break factors when you're sleep deprived and fatigued, it helps you focus on the task at hand, although that swings both ways, sometimes a little extra talent bolted to the front and back of your bike can work wonders when you're too far gone to pick your lines properly...

I'm a big advocate of 'appropriate use' but also of 'deliberately inappropriate use' ;-). I have noticed an increasing trend with a lot of new riders finding the entire concept of a rigid bike alien, having started riding on full-sus and never having even ridden a hardtail off-road. I think many of them have missed out on vital skills as a result and continue to do so, even if you are into going fast nothing* makes you go faster on a suspension bike than knowing how to go fast on a rigid one!

*there are additional skills and techniques required to get the best out of bouncy bikes too but I still think you should learn on a rigid bike, and often for a lot of riding an appropriately tyre'd rigid bike is the best tool for the job.

peetee
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Re: Off road history.

Postby peetee » 11 Dec 2018, 4:54pm

reohn2 wrote: i enjoy the total concentration needed to pick path though really rough tracks rather than blasting over them letting the suspension smooth out the route.


Absolutely 100% agree. As I have previously stated I still ride my 1990 custom MTB which is rigid front and back. I dabbled with suspension post and stem but took them off because I lost the feedback I enjoyed and i felt like I was going soft and cheating. Riding rigid hasn't stopped me from enjoying every second of my rides and the joy a properly thought out custom bike can bring. That includes a mad downhill from the summit of Helvellyn, hitting 43mph in Queen Elizabeth Park at Butser Hill, riding the North Cornwall coast path (years ago when you were 'allowed'). One of my most satifying achievements though was riding the full length of Carn Brea in Redruth without putting a foot down. It took so many failed attempts (I am not naturally gifted in the bike handling skills department) that I had a huge grin on my face when I did it. Riddled with granite steps it would have been so much easier on a full-suss, but where's the challenge in easy?
Current status report:
Latter side of fifty and feeling less than nifty.
Too many bikes on pegs and too few miles in the legs.