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Countryside opening hours

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 8:53pm
by Redrhino
See this sign - who would have thought it?
Fair enough that Lord Bathurst opens up his private lands and chooses his own terms.
But the sign is by a marked (and legally confirmed) bridleway.
Surely he can’t overlay his own rules (opening hours, no cycles) on to public rights of way?

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 9:33pm
by random37
It's speculative. There is no way he could enforce it, or put a barrier across the bridleway.

Saying that, don't go looking for fights where there isn't one. If you don't make a nuisance of yourself I can't see you having a problem.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 10:34pm
by Herts Audax
It is a public highway and you have the right to pass over that any time of day or night. Do what you wish. You might even want to report it to your local rights of way officers.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 10:53pm
by NATURAL ANKLING
Hi,
Some one tried redirecting a bridle path unofficially on Dartmoor...................fat chance............I reported it to Dartmoor authorities.
Now there is an optional way but I still use the old one even though they are trying to redirect (holiday farm, now lama farm)
Fact is that the old bridle path right through farm was easy and convenient, the new one (not sure whats official here, must check, signage rubbish) is up hill off road (grass) and when muddy walking is harder especially with a bike.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 11:17pm
by Vorpal
Herts Audax wrote:It is a public highway and you have the right to pass over that any time of day or night. Do what you wish. You might even want to report it to your local rights of way officers.

I would ask the local rights of way officer.

It's possible that the only part which is public highway is the footpath, and the rest is permissive, meaning that the owner can restrict use.

The only way to be certain is to find out the legal status of the routes in question.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 19 Aug 2018, 11:39pm
by the_twin
No public rights of way through there showing on the OS map, apart from a single yellow road.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 3:58pm
by Redrhino
Thanks for the replies. I reckon as one person said: "don't make a nuisance and just get on and use it".

This map is from the Glos. definitive rights of way map. Lots of blue bridle paths and that is good enough for me.
Restrictive signs are on (some) entrances to the woods

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 4:23pm
by Cunobelin
Redrhino wrote:Thanks for the replies. I reckon as one person said: "don't make a nuisance and just get on and use it".

This map is from the Glos. definitive rights of way map. Lots of blue bridle paths and that is good enough for me.
Restrictive signs are on (some) entrances to the woods


That is it....

You can use the definitive paths / bridleways, but other areas may be "permissible" in which case they may be enforceable

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 4:40pm
by brynpoeth
"may" or "can"? :wink:

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 5:47pm
by mjr
random37 wrote:It's speculative. There is no way he could enforce it, or put a barrier across the bridleway.

Saying that, don't go looking for fights where there isn't one. If you don't make a nuisance of yourself I can't see you having a problem.

Surely there is a fight there? The landowner is trying to restrict a right of way and users can report it now and maybe get government help in the fight, or someone is going to have bigger fight later on more difficult terms once the landowner starts enforcing it.

I've made this mistake before, where we suspect a sneaky landowner persuaded someone to change the definitive map after a few years to go around the bit of the bridleway they'd claimed (the written statement of the bridleway's course is ambiguous). Best to nip this sort of thing in the bud.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 6:04pm
by Herts Audax
If you find restrictive or misleading signs on the public bridleways then report it.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 6:19pm
by the_twin
Redrhino wrote:Thanks for the replies. I reckon as one person said: "don't make a nuisance and just get on and use it".

This map is from the Glos. definitive rights of way map. Lots of blue bridle paths and that is good enough for me.
Restrictive signs are on (some) entrances to the woods


I thought you were referring to the area to the right of that map, which is strangely devoid of any PROW. The bit on the left is however a mass of footpaths and bridleways. I figured the very important landowner must therefore own the bit on the right, to which he had graciously granted those on foot or horseback access.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 8:35pm
by cycleruk
These signs seem to appear at various places on the estate.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/the-b ... state.html
But they cannot stop you using a genuine public right of way (bridleway in the case of horses and cyclists) except by a change in the law.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 8:44pm
by PH
The signs say Cirencester Park and the only thing I know about that is the huge hedge, but I'm pretty sure it's the area in the bottom right of the map above and not the area with the bridleways marked.
If there are signs restricting use of a bridleway then you should be making an official complaint, it's worth double checking that's what they are before you do.

Re: Countryside opening hours

Posted: 21 Aug 2018, 3:32am
by Redrhino
I’m on it. I have written to Glos CC - outsourced to Amey :roll: to see what they say