Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

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gloomyandy
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Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby gloomyandy » 7 Apr 2016, 7:25pm

Hi,
I'm currently trying to decide which front rack to use with my new Genesis Croix de Fer based bike (2016 XS frame):
http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/adv ... 5-frameset
My forks are the steel version that have the mid point mounting plus mountings on the drop outs. I like the look of the Duo rack and the lack of hoop will make things a little easier for putting the bike in the car. However I'm not sure if the rack will sit level with my bikes fork and head tube angles. I've been looking at the Tubus web site for dimensions and have been trying to work out how exactly it will fit, but can't get my head round it! Does anyone have this combination, or any thoughts on how these racks compare, or possible alternatives?

Thanks

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby foxyrider » 7 Apr 2016, 8:39pm

Looking at those mounting points you shouldn't have any issue with Tubus racks, they all have some positioning adjustment built in. However out of all of them the Duo has the least adjustment due to the 3 point fixture. I would actually try to get the top bar to sit with a slight (5-10 degree) rearward slope which I find keeps the bags/weight more stable under braking.
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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby resus1uk » 7 Apr 2016, 9:37pm

I have used the Tara rack on my winter trike . Easy to fit as the forks have braze-ons mid-fork. From a triking handling view big loads don't upset the steering

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby gloomyandy » 8 Apr 2016, 2:50pm

After some testing with a scaled printout of the Tubus sizing diagram, I decided to go for the Duo. I've just picked up the parts from Spa and it fits my forks perfectly. Thanks for the help.

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby DurableAce » 27 Jun 2016, 11:10pm

Hi,

I'm sitting here trying to fit a Duo to my new XL 2016 Croix de Fer. I have the Duo that has a sliding range of adjustment, rather than the (I believe slightly older) version with the three hole adjustment.

I'm struggling to get the top of the rack horizontal. Do you have any photos or advice that might help me please?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby gloomyandy » 28 Jun 2016, 8:38am

Duo fits perfectly on my CdF. I have the older Duo and on the upper mount point I used the hole that is towards the rear of the rack. I have the lower mount point bolted to the front mount point on the fork. With this the rack is pretty much level. I'll try and post a picture later!

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby DurableAce » 28 Jun 2016, 6:17pm

Thanks gloomyandy. I think I follow that. A picture would be appreciated if you're able.

Did you manage to get the Tubus bolt spacer into the gap between the outer edge of the fork and the outer rail of the rack? It's part 6 in this diagram:

http://www.tubus.com/documents/14422161 ... 082015.pdf

It seems rather too tight on my bike.

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby gloomyandy » 28 Jun 2016, 7:27pm

OK hope this works!
IMG_20160628_184116.jpg

Overall view

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Upper attachment

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Lower attachment

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Brake side


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Upper attachment with no spacer.



My Duo only came with two of those spacers (not 4) and the instructions showed the spaces only being used on the lower mount, which is what I did. There was no way I would have been able to get a spacer in the upper mount. The upper mount (with the three holes) is flush with the inside edge of the tube on my rack, if it is not on yours then maybe the extra spacer is needed?

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby gloomyandy » 28 Jun 2016, 7:30pm

Oh and as you can see I've added some tubing to the upper part of the rack (14mm so no need for inserts in my pannier clips), and also added inner tube around the bottom of the rack. With this combination my Ortlieb panniers is a very snug fit with no rattles when riding.

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby DurableAce » 28 Jun 2016, 7:36pm

That's great. Thank you ever so much for the photos.

On mine, the rack is away from the fork, so a spacer is a possibility, it's just a bit of a tight squeeze to get the one supplied into the gap. I'll experiment to see whether with or without spacer gives the best outcome.

You've also given me another thought for negotiating the brake caliper by bending the mudguard stay.

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby gloomyandy » 28 Jun 2016, 7:42pm

Hi, glad it helps. On the mudguard stays I decided to mount mine directly to the fork rather than using the extra mount on the rack because I'm probably going to remove the front rack when using the bike over the winter and I don't want to have to mess around with the mudguards then. It is a little tricky bending the stays around the front brake but it seems to work OK. I decided to only bend the stays on the brake side. I did consider doing both so that they matched but decided that I could live with them not matching!

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby DurableAce » 28 Jun 2016, 7:45pm

I have an approximate 4mm gap to get the 5.5mm supplied spacer into. It'll go, but feels a little too snug with too much outward pressure on the rack. I'm going to fit a smaller make-do spacer of my own, I think.

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Re: Front rack Tubus Duo, Tara or anything else?

Postby DurableAce » 28 Jun 2016, 7:47pm

gloomyandy wrote:Hi, glad it helps. On the mudguard stays I decided to mount mine directly to the fork rather than using the extra mount on the rack because I'm probably going to remove the front rack when using the bike over the winter and I don't want to have to mess around with the mudguards then. It is a little tricky bending the stays around the front brake but it seems to work OK. I decided to only bend the stays on the brake side. I did consider doing both so that they matched but decided that I could live with them not matching!


I agree with you in not wanting to mess about with the mudguard stays on rack and non-rack trips.