Those with shortened cranks
Those with shortened cranks
How short and why?
Also what effect if any do shortened cranks make on performance?
Also what effect if any do shortened cranks make on performance?
Re: Those with shortened cranks
I am interested to hear this myself.
I have looked around and I think I will try shorter cranks.
There seems to be very little against it.
I have looked around and I think I will try shorter cranks.
There seems to be very little against it.
Re: Those with shortened cranks
I was idly thinking about shorter cranks during this evening's commute
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
-
- Posts: 5327
- Joined: 27 Oct 2012, 9:13pm
Re: Those with shortened cranks
I don't think it makes any actual difference but i'm sure I will be put right ...
There are intuitive effects ... moment arm over gear ratio, cadence etc.
But if you need to generate 200W to get up a hill the length of the cranks and ratio's will just change the way the 200W is applied ..... it's still 200W.
It's a bit like ready meals ..... cook it in the oven and it takes 30 mins @ 3kw / hr, in the micro wave 10 minutes at 9kw / hr, ...... its still 1.5KW to get your din dins cooked.
There are intuitive effects ... moment arm over gear ratio, cadence etc.
But if you need to generate 200W to get up a hill the length of the cranks and ratio's will just change the way the 200W is applied ..... it's still 200W.
It's a bit like ready meals ..... cook it in the oven and it takes 30 mins @ 3kw / hr, in the micro wave 10 minutes at 9kw / hr, ...... its still 1.5KW to get your din dins cooked.
“Quiet, calm deliberation disentangles every knot.”
Be more Mike.
The road goes on forever.
Be more Mike.
The road goes on forever.
-
- Posts: 190
- Joined: 11 Feb 2014, 11:18am
Re: Those with shortened cranks
I went from 175mm on my Trice Classic which felt too long from the off. I swapped them out for some very cheap 155mm's which had a really wide and slightly off centre ( wrong bb?) . I then fitted some 160mm Stronglights that feel fine.
On my VTX I specced the 152mm Lasco's and they were lovely from the off.
Do bear in mind im a rate short ar** at 5' 5"
On my VTX I specced the 152mm Lasco's and they were lovely from the off.
Do bear in mind im a rate short ar** at 5' 5"
Re: Those with shortened cranks
Landsurfer... there's some biomechanics to deal with in here. Lift a kilo next to your body, then do the same work a metre out...
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Re: Those with shortened cranks
From an engineering point of view, 200W is 200W.
From a biological POV, a 2 foot long crank will use a different range of muscle contraction to a 2 inch crank.
I wonder if its pure chance that the "rise" of a stair is about the same as the length of a bike crank?
i can go up stairs 2 at a time or even 3 at a time, but I wouldn't like to try it all day.
I don't know how far apart ladder rungs are (and its cold and dark) but 1 rung at a time is OK, 2 rungs is a stretch.
The world of recumbents seems to have taken to short cranks just like the world of triathlons has taken to very steep seat tube angles; i can see the point of steep seat tube angles for getting into an aero position, (although i wonder if the benefits of aero really do outweigh the difficulties inherent in the transition from aero on the bike to running.)
if you are making a faired (streamlined) recumbent, then short cranks might fit easier into the fairing, but are the biomechanics of pedalling a recumbent really different to an upwrong? I know you can't "honk" (out of the saddle) but thats infrequent for me these days anyway. i'm a twiddler rather than a windmiller, but i sometimes find myself "forcing the gear" sitting on the back of the saddle, pulling back at the bottom and pushing forward over the top, and pulling at the hoods....if you don't do that on a recumbent, maybe thats a difference, and maybe its just that short cranks are easier to twiddle?
From a biological POV, a 2 foot long crank will use a different range of muscle contraction to a 2 inch crank.
I wonder if its pure chance that the "rise" of a stair is about the same as the length of a bike crank?
i can go up stairs 2 at a time or even 3 at a time, but I wouldn't like to try it all day.
I don't know how far apart ladder rungs are (and its cold and dark) but 1 rung at a time is OK, 2 rungs is a stretch.
The world of recumbents seems to have taken to short cranks just like the world of triathlons has taken to very steep seat tube angles; i can see the point of steep seat tube angles for getting into an aero position, (although i wonder if the benefits of aero really do outweigh the difficulties inherent in the transition from aero on the bike to running.)
if you are making a faired (streamlined) recumbent, then short cranks might fit easier into the fairing, but are the biomechanics of pedalling a recumbent really different to an upwrong? I know you can't "honk" (out of the saddle) but thats infrequent for me these days anyway. i'm a twiddler rather than a windmiller, but i sometimes find myself "forcing the gear" sitting on the back of the saddle, pulling back at the bottom and pushing forward over the top, and pulling at the hoods....if you don't do that on a recumbent, maybe thats a difference, and maybe its just that short cranks are easier to twiddle?
Bike fitting D.I.Y. .....http://wheel-easy.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/bike-set-up-2017a.pdf
Tracks in the Dales etc...http://www.flickr.com/photos/52358536@N06/collections/
Tracks in the Dales etc...http://www.flickr.com/photos/52358536@N06/collections/
Re: Those with shortened cranks
I certainly pedal in circles (even if they are rough) I know because of the number of times I've talken cleats off shoes, or pulled plates off pedals.
Whether or not that would change with a shorter crank I have no idea.
Whether or not it's typical dynamics for ipwrong or 'bent I have no idea.
Whether or not that would change with a shorter crank I have no idea.
Whether or not it's typical dynamics for ipwrong or 'bent I have no idea.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Re: Those with shortened cranks
Why? usually to avoid knee pain by reducing the angle of bend. So if you're not having knee problems then why?
possibly because it can generate more power (same reasons as having short stroke, high rpm internal combustion engines - more fuel intake, better exhaust scavenging, higher efficiency)
better aerodynamics
reduction in leg lift push off height when starting
possibly because it can generate more power (same reasons as having short stroke, high rpm internal combustion engines - more fuel intake, better exhaust scavenging, higher efficiency)
better aerodynamics
reduction in leg lift push off height when starting
- NATURAL ANKLING
- Posts: 13780
- Joined: 24 Oct 2012, 10:43pm
- Location: English Riviera
Re: Those with shortened cranks
Hi,
Tell us what size you use on a laid back?
[XAP]Bob wrote:I certainly pedal in circles (even if they are rough) I know because of the number of times I've talken cleats off shoes, or pulled plates off pedals.
Whether or not that would change with a shorter crank I have no idea.
Whether or not it's typical dynamics for ipwrong or 'bent I have no idea.
Tell us what size you use on a laid back?
NA Thinks Just End 2 End Return + Bivvy - Some day Soon I hope
You'll Still Find Me At The Top Of A Hill
Please forgive the poor Grammar I blame it on my mobile and phat thinkers.
You'll Still Find Me At The Top Of A Hill
Please forgive the poor Grammar I blame it on my mobile and phat thinkers.
Re: Those with shortened cranks
I have 148 mm cranks on my Paseo, courtesy of Mike Burrows. ICE and HP-Velotechnic offer either 152 or 155mm crank options I think. Some people are comfortable with standard crands on low bottom bracket machines (e.g. long wheelbase) but beneft from short cranks on high bottom bracket machines.
EDIT: article by Mike Burrows on short cranks here, http://www.bhpc.org.uk/short-and-sweet-a-discussion-on-crank-length-by-mike-burrows.aspx
and http://www.bikefix.co.uk/right-crank-length
or http://www.zoxed.eu/short_cranks.html
EDIT: article by Mike Burrows on short cranks here, http://www.bhpc.org.uk/short-and-sweet-a-discussion-on-crank-length-by-mike-burrows.aspx
and http://www.bikefix.co.uk/right-crank-length
or http://www.zoxed.eu/short_cranks.html
Re: Those with shortened cranks
On a High Racer other advantages are minimising heel overlap and improving line of sight. For those reasons I got the shortest standard cranks (165) for my Corsa build; barely discernable from previous 175s on a Strada. If I get to do a similar build (my CA2 , I'd get some 175s cut down to 155, or maybe 150.
Re: Those with shortened cranks
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,[XAP]Bob wrote:I certainly pedal in circles (even if they are rough) I know because of the number of times I've talken cleats off shoes, or pulled plates off pedals.
Whether or not that would change with a shorter crank I have no idea.
Whether or not it's typical dynamics for ipwrong or 'bent I have no idea.
Tell us what size you use on a laid back?
That would be telling
They are all default - 170 IIRC
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Re: Those with shortened cranks
152 and 155mm on different machines. Knees much happier (but they also don't like big 'Q' factors). YMMV
PS: WAW came with 147's but have changed to 155's for a bit more torque (bottom gear issues on road cranks with 74mm PCD inner: MTB cranks have too high a 'Q' factor for me, not to mention foot clearance inside the shell).
PS: WAW came with 147's but have changed to 155's for a bit more torque (bottom gear issues on road cranks with 74mm PCD inner: MTB cranks have too high a 'Q' factor for me, not to mention foot clearance inside the shell).
"42"
-
- Posts: 299
- Joined: 3 Aug 2008, 4:38pm
Re: Those with shortened cranks
Using 165's for the first time on my Gaucho 28 high racer. Really haven't noticed much difference except improved heel clearance. I normally ride 170's on both my recumbent and conventional bikes.