“You saw him there and you drove at him,” said the judge. “Your vehicle hit him and caused a very serious fracture to his leg and was sufficiently severe that it required nailing and that nailing will be in his leg permanently.
Two years jail.
“You saw him there and you drove at him,” said the judge. “Your vehicle hit him and caused a very serious fracture to his leg and was sufficiently severe that it required nailing and that nailing will be in his leg permanently.
Bryant, of St Albans Close, Gillingham, admitted unlawful wounding, assault causing actual bodily harm, dangerous driving and having no driving licence and insurance
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“You used this car as a weapon. You had no licence and little driving experience" - Judge Philip Statman
Sam Spaven drove his Audi into 44-year-old Richard Pencott as he was riding along Blyth Road in Harworth, Nottinghamshire, on 24 June.
The 26-year-old, of Norfolk Road, Bircotes, admitted murder at Nottingham Crown Court earlier.
Spaven will be sentenced on Tuesday morning, when more details of the case will be heard.
gaz wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-35094901]
kwackers wrote:gaz wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-35094901]
Anyone know the background behind this? (Google didn't throw up anything useful).
iviehoff wrote:In the sense of "didn't throw up anything useful", I can understand that you can reasonably think a report in The NeverLetTheTruthGetInTheWayOfAGoodStory isn't useful. But there is at least some possibility that it gives us a hint of what the others aren't saying.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -bike.html
kwackers wrote:I'm curious because imo if you want to kill someone or end up accidentally killing them whilst 'teaching them a lesson' as far as I can see you're pretty much guaranteed to get away with it if the victim is a cyclist and you're in a vehicle.
kwackers wrote:iviehoff wrote:In the sense of "didn't throw up anything useful", I can understand that you can reasonably think a report in The NeverLetTheTruthGetInTheWayOfAGoodStory isn't useful. But there is at least some possibility that it gives us a hint of what the others aren't saying.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -bike.html
Cheers (my search didn't show that page).
I guess it's as I suspected...
iviehoff wrote:If you are teaching someone a lesson, rather than it being something you can put down as totally accidental, and what you did ends up killing them, it's going to be manslaughter at least. And remember that even if it is seen as a "motoring accident" with a "careless" party, then causing death by careless driving is an offence with sentences rather similar to manslaughter.
661-Pete wrote:Clearly this sad case has got very little to do with cycling, or with the risk cyclists undergo as a daily occurrence on our roads. But what it does underline is that nearly everyone in the country has a potential murder weapon at their disposal. A murder weapon made of steel, glass, etc., weighing 1-2 tons and capable of being propelled at its victim at speeds of 70mph or more.
I'm not against laws curbing the carrying of knives, etc., of course, but we have to bear this in mind - anyone could become a killer, knife/gun or no knife/gun. It's lucky that most of us are not murderers (I hope!)
Mike Sales wrote:The distinguishing thing about cars is not their possible use as a murder weapon, but the ease ( and frequency ) with which they can kill without the intention.
kwackers wrote:iviehoff wrote:If you are teaching someone a lesson, rather than it being something you can put down as totally accidental, and what you did ends up killing them, it's going to be manslaughter at least. And remember that even if it is seen as a "motoring accident" with a "careless" party, then causing death by careless driving is an offence with sentences rather similar to manslaughter.
My point was really about how difficult it would be to even prove manslaughter. If you had an altercation with a driver and he later caught up and deliberately ran you down then unless there was a witness you'd probably just be another cyclist who 'swerved' into the path of a car.
A driver who deliberately ran over a man - as he thought he was holding up traffic - has been jailed for 12 years. ... Ali, of Bromford Lane, Washwood Heath, was acquitted of attempting to murder Mr Colbert but was convicted of causing him grievous bodily harm with intent.