It is earnestly to be hoped - we love the Manchester Guardian / the Independent!

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Postby brynpoeth » 30 Jun 2018, 9:00pm

Rhiannon Lucy Coslett has a good article in the Guardian today about friendships ending
A relationship ending is one thing, it is exhaustively covered in media film books but a friendship ending maybe after many years and shared experiences is quite another

Many people, males especially, have few or no close friends. I have far more on these fora than in 'real life'

Maybe I could start a poll: "how many friends do you have?", 0-5, 6-10, 50 or more?

One may mail comments for possible publication in the printed paper next week
There is no possibility to comment online, I wonder why
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Postby brynpoeth » 6 Jul 2018, 2:13pm

The Guardian receives a small fee if one clicks on links to adverts, is that new, or did I just notice it?

The august journal continues to be completely Independent of course :wink:
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Postby brynpoeth » 7 Jul 2018, 8:05pm

PDQ Mobile wrote:
meic wrote:
Perhaps one's gut feeling for the truth is just as or maybe even more reliable?))

Exactly what most Trump supporters thought.

Lay the groundwork right and people have already decided what happened and who is to blame before it even occurs.


I think it may be disingenuous to suggest only Trump supporters are affected.

I think you sort of missed the nub of my drift.

It was a kind of general and philosophical point.
One I have been curious about.
For example,why are many modern elections, referenda, so close to 50%/50% in their results?
It is after all the result one would get from a random event like tossing a coin.

I have my own ideas why that should be.

What are your ideas?
Right question? Wrong question?
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Postby broadway » 7 Jul 2018, 8:33pm

brynpoeth wrote:The Guardian receives a small fee if one clicks on links to adverts, is that new, or did I just notice it?

The august journal continues to be completely Independent of course :wink:


Not sure what your point is surely all media is paid for in some way?

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Postby brynpoeth » 7 Jul 2018, 8:37pm

broadway wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:The Guardian receives a small fee if one clicks on links to adverts, is that new, or did I just notice it?

The august journal continues to be completely Independent of course :wink:


Not sure what your point is surely all media is paid for in some way?

I think the note about it is new
I must have spent many hundreds buying the paper, now I read it "free" on the www
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Postby 661-Pete » 7 Jul 2018, 8:46pm

I've just been looking through Paul Dacre's seeming panegyric on the late Peter Preston, originally delivered as a speech at the memorial service for Preston, and an extract reprinted in today's Guardian. I cannot think of a more improbable columnist writing for the Graun, but the paper is full of improbabilities.

But wait! Reading more carefully, I wonder if this is a (metaphorical) kiss on one cheek, only*?

I doubt if we'll be reading Dacre's utterances in the Graun again, any time soon. There are limits!

*In many countries - Catholic ones especially - it is considered impolite, unlucky even, to kiss a friend or acquaintance on one cheek only. This may go back to the belief that Judas kissed Jesus on just one cheek. Hence the Mafia-inspired "Kiss of Death"...
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Postby brynpoeth » 7 Jul 2018, 8:54pm

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Postby brynpoeth » 8 Sep 2018, 8:23am

Not so sure I love the Grauniad today

Saturdays I do like to read "blind date", but the paper also reports about Karen Bradley, the new NI Secretary, who admits to knowing little about Ulster

A humorous piece speculates about the worst cabinet minister, there are several candidates apparently

I think ignorance is an opportunity to learn, often outsiders or children have insights and ideas that experts do not

Give her a chance, I say!
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Postby ambodach » 8 Sep 2018, 10:28am

Trouble is Brynpoeth that the ignorant particularly politicians are ignorant of they fact that they are ignorant.

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Postby brynpoeth » 8 Sep 2018, 7:31pm

ambodach wrote:Trouble is Brynpoeth that the ignorant particularly politicians are ignorant of they fact that they are ignorant.

As I understood the article, she *admitted* knowing little and was ridiculed for that

Politrickians have plenty of advisers who DO know a lot, one hopes, although some are swapped out at each regime change :?
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Postby 661-Pete » 8 Sep 2018, 7:39pm

Maybe it's just to do with the fact that all politicians have to be re-shuffled every year or two, and sometimes there just isn't anyone left in the pack to suit the last job needing filling.

If you shuffle a pack of cards and then deal yourself one card, it won't always be the Ace of Spades!
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Postby Whippet » 8 Sep 2018, 7:49pm

The Independent seems to be constantly editorialising judging from the headlines in my news feed, I avoid it for that reason. Jonathan Pie explains why I don’t like this better than I can ( PS almost certainly contains bad language ):


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XSt3F9XGw9w

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Postby Ben@Forest » 8 Sep 2018, 8:33pm

brynpoeth wrote:
ambodach wrote:Trouble is Brynpoeth that the ignorant particularly politicians are ignorant of they fact that they are ignorant.

As I understood the article, she *admitted* knowing little and was ridiculed for that

Politrickians have plenty of advisers who DO know a lot, one hopes, although some are swapped out at each regime change :?


Of course the other job where people report, write, or give opinions on which they know little is journalism. But we spend lots of time here regurgitating their half-baked knowledge!

As an example I've read in several articles that you get a felling licence from the Environment Agency - no you don't.

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Postby bovlomov » 8 Sep 2018, 9:16pm

Ben@Forest wrote:Of course the other job where people report, write, or give opinions on which they know little is journalism. But we spend lots of time here regurgitating their half-baked knowledge!

As an example I've read in several articles that you get a felling licence from the Environment Agency - no you don't.

Even knowing a little about a subject, you'll find mistakes in much press analysis. And if you knew the victim, you'll know what rubbish is printed about them. Still, we can choose not to support the press.

Politicians have no excuse not to be well informed. We pay for their researchers and for that fantastic library at their disposal. Anyway, I have always assumed ministers were selected for their ignorance, as a knowledgeable minister was more likely to go native.

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Postby 661-Pete » 8 Sep 2018, 9:47pm

Ben@Forest wrote:As an example I've read in several articles that you get a felling licence from the Environment Agency - no you don't.
That's rather specialist knowledge surely, only useful to people who are in the trade? Perhaps one source got it wrong and then others copied the error. Does it really matter?

On the other hand, disinformation which may significantly affect the quality of life for many or all people in this country, does matter.
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