Mike_Ayling wrote:Dunno if ithas already been mentioned but Thorn states that their use will void their frame warranty and Surly used to say the same but they may have changed their opinion lately.
Not quite as bad as that from Thorn: https://www.thorncycles.co.uk/faqs#collapseGroup4Faq4 just says they don't cover the consequences of stand use. However, that probably means that they build their bikes without stand plates, which makes them much less practical for touring because it would be difficult to park it in busier bits of countries like Denmark. Where there are stands, they're often ones that expect you to put the bike on a centre stand and put its front wheel in a slot, as pictured below, with the standless condemned to locking to trees and signposts and so on, or risking falling over like one in the picture.
Surly has indeed been mentioned. Use the "Search this topic" box at the top of the page before posting, please.