...What this is? (Motobecane)
- Vetus Ossa
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...What this is? (Motobecane)
I took this snap in Cologne a couple of days ago but unfortunately didn’t have time to stop and look at it.
It looks new to me or very well renovated.
I can’t see what the motor drives, unless its directly on the tyre tread.
I would love to know a little more about it and am pretty confident someone here will know all about them, hope so anyway.
I appreciate owning one here would involve far to much admin to make it viable to own but it certainly looks like a fun bike to ride.
It looks new to me or very well renovated.
I can’t see what the motor drives, unless its directly on the tyre tread.
I would love to know a little more about it and am pretty confident someone here will know all about them, hope so anyway.
I appreciate owning one here would involve far to much admin to make it viable to own but it certainly looks like a fun bike to ride.
Beauty will save the world.
Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
Looks similar (ish) to a VéloSolex....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9loSoleX
The engine does run directly onto the front wheel.
Here you go....treat yourself....https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VELOSOLEX-38 ... :rk:5:pf:0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9loSoleX
The engine does run directly onto the front wheel.
Here you go....treat yourself....https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VELOSOLEX-38 ... :rk:5:pf:0
Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
it is a VéloSoleX (there is a wikipedia article and plenty of stuff on the web about them).
The engine does indeed drive the tyre directly. French engineers are capable of subtle, brilliant designs, but this isn't one of them.
Having popularised (not invented) the derailleur gear, their next great contribution to the two-wheeled world was something that scrubbed tyres out in no time, left the rider breathing in the fumes from his own engine, and of course burnt a lot more fuel than was necessary, being so inefficient. Fun indeed, if that is your idea of fun....
It must have some appeal though; they made these things for decades and even today they seem to have a loyal following, well beyond the paysans that bought them in the first place. For years in any part of France seeing a helmetless old boy put-putting around on these was commonplace. They obviously didn't mind the fumes from the engine, being obscured by the smoke from the Gauloise they were chuffing on (ash cast away in the wind, of course) which probably polluted the atmosphere more than the VéloSoleX did anyway....
cheers
The engine does indeed drive the tyre directly. French engineers are capable of subtle, brilliant designs, but this isn't one of them.
Having popularised (not invented) the derailleur gear, their next great contribution to the two-wheeled world was something that scrubbed tyres out in no time, left the rider breathing in the fumes from his own engine, and of course burnt a lot more fuel than was necessary, being so inefficient. Fun indeed, if that is your idea of fun....
It must have some appeal though; they made these things for decades and even today they seem to have a loyal following, well beyond the paysans that bought them in the first place. For years in any part of France seeing a helmetless old boy put-putting around on these was commonplace. They obviously didn't mind the fumes from the engine, being obscured by the smoke from the Gauloise they were chuffing on (ash cast away in the wind, of course) which probably polluted the atmosphere more than the VéloSoleX did anyway....
cheers
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
il est une pipe
le moteur
twice as much trouble...?
possibly this is some kind of safety warning....?
cheers
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
To me that looks like a very modern Solex.
I used to have one when I was 15 and working the summer in France, 50 or so years ago. The legal age there for a moped was 14, compared to our 16.
Mine had a much heavier frame, more in the style of an old Raleigh or Flying Pidgeon roadster, but chunkier.
I think Bruce is being a bit disparaging about them, they were horrible, but he misses the point that they were very cheap. If mere and pere couldn't afford a proper moped (usually a Mobylette) then junior got a Solex.
They had very fundamental throttle, which was on or off. It had a big handle for lifting the engine off the wheel. The drive was indeed direct, by means of a roughened wheel that sat on the front tyre and dragged it round.
They were lethal in the wet.
Ah, happy days.
I used to have one when I was 15 and working the summer in France, 50 or so years ago. The legal age there for a moped was 14, compared to our 16.
Mine had a much heavier frame, more in the style of an old Raleigh or Flying Pidgeon roadster, but chunkier.
I think Bruce is being a bit disparaging about them, they were horrible, but he misses the point that they were very cheap. If mere and pere couldn't afford a proper moped (usually a Mobylette) then junior got a Solex.
They had very fundamental throttle, which was on or off. It had a big handle for lifting the engine off the wheel. The drive was indeed direct, by means of a roughened wheel that sat on the front tyre and dragged it round.
They were lethal in the wet.
Ah, happy days.
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
Hi,
1970's I used to race one every day
Passed it up hill only to be overtaken on the flat
1970's I used to race one every day
Passed it up hill only to be overtaken on the flat
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
Whilst touring in France I was relaxing in a Brittany lakeside cafe on a Sunday afternoon when about a hundred of these things turned up. Some were being ridden by guys with berrets, striped jumpers with strings of onions on the handlebars. One had an accordian with which he serenaded the group. Others were dressed in various vintage get ups although loon pants flourescent shirts and kipper ties werent much in evidence. The clouds of smoke that accompanied them wasnt pleasant.
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
I do believe the british equivalent (a bolt in motor to put on your bike that drove the tyre) was affectionately known as a stink wheel due to the smell of the tyre being a braided by the motor. Can't call the name to mind at present. BSA?
(Or am I thinking of a Winged Wheel here where the motor was in the hub? )
(Or am I thinking of a Winged Wheel here where the motor was in the hub? )
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
There is a chap locally who use to restore these machines , not seen him for a few years
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
All our yesterdays. These were everywhere when I worked in France (1963-64) and the only disadvantage I remember was getting started. IIRC, the only way to do it was to get the Solex moving by pedalling "normally" as in rather furiously then dropping the motor onto the front wheel. I don't remember any problems with noise, smoke, or glamorous women's skirts being ripped off. That was also the era of the Citroen 2CV and the H van (imagine the sag wagon in Belleville Rendezvous.) Function over style, and none of your planned obsolescence. Strange that Citroen should also have made the DS which was so far ahead of its time.
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
Thanks everyone for your comments.
I can’t see me ever owning one or having a chance to try one out but I definitely do think they look interesting and dare I say “cool.”
I can’t see me ever owning one or having a chance to try one out but I definitely do think they look interesting and dare I say “cool.”
Beauty will save the world.
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
They have a big following here and fetch reasonable money. It's not unusual to see large groups out for a ride, the air is thick with blue exhaust smoke. Participants often dress up in costumes. We've seen 'German' soldiers, baby's , complete with nappies, devils etc,
Rural France didn't have and still doesn't have a public transport system outside of large towns. The appeal of these mopeds was that they offered a way of getting to work, school or nearest village for the poor that didn't involve walking or cycling.
Transport is still not brilliant in the countryside and nowadays the kids ride 50 cc scooters and motorcycles, often very dangerously.
Rural France didn't have and still doesn't have a public transport system outside of large towns. The appeal of these mopeds was that they offered a way of getting to work, school or nearest village for the poor that didn't involve walking or cycling.
Transport is still not brilliant in the countryside and nowadays the kids ride 50 cc scooters and motorcycles, often very dangerously.
Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
Brucey wrote:
il est une pipe
le moteur
twice as much trouble...?
possibly this is some kind of safety warning....?
cheers
the mans pipe is a snorkel? to avoid the fumes
Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
francovendee wrote:Transport is still not brilliant in the countryside and nowadays the kids ride 50 cc scooters and motorcycles, often very dangerously.
The sound of the Mobylette used to be one of the sounds of France. Heard far more often than the accordion.
I was in France a few months ago add have been trying to remember if there were still any mopeds . From what you say, probably not.
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Re: ...What this is? (Motobecane)
Vetus Ossa wrote:Thanks everyone for your comments.
I can’t see me ever owning one or having a chance to try one out but I definitely do think they look interesting and dare I say “cool.”
Maybe you could fit an empty motor housing to make your bike look like one
I remember seeing an onion-johnnys bicycle in South Wales c 1988, ideal job for a cyclist?
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