Yellow Jacket dilemma
Yellow Jacket dilemma
No not the French Gilets Jaunes....
I'm talking about the English variety as sported by scum like this unpleasant individual.
Trouble is, I do wear my faithful old Altura jacket - which is yellow - when out cycling after dark (and also in daytime when cold or wet). And sometimes when off the bike. But I don't want to be in any way identified with this mob. Will the fact that mine is zipped and full-sleeved, rather than just a waistcoat, identify me as a bona fide wearer of hi-viz?
And let's not resume the hoary old debate about whether hi-viz makes you more visible or not! I wear mine because it's comfortable and keeps me warm and dry. In my experience - speaking as a motorist - I do find that cyclists wearing hi-viz show up for me sooner, on a dark road, than cyclists not in hi-viz. I concede that others dispute this finding.
Perhaps I should change to orange?
I'm talking about the English variety as sported by scum like this unpleasant individual.
Trouble is, I do wear my faithful old Altura jacket - which is yellow - when out cycling after dark (and also in daytime when cold or wet). And sometimes when off the bike. But I don't want to be in any way identified with this mob. Will the fact that mine is zipped and full-sleeved, rather than just a waistcoat, identify me as a bona fide wearer of hi-viz?
And let's not resume the hoary old debate about whether hi-viz makes you more visible or not! I wear mine because it's comfortable and keeps me warm and dry. In my experience - speaking as a motorist - I do find that cyclists wearing hi-viz show up for me sooner, on a dark road, than cyclists not in hi-viz. I concede that others dispute this finding.
Perhaps I should change to orange?
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
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Just need to modify your current one.
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661-Pete wrote:And let's not resume the hoary old debate about whether hi-viz makes you more visible or not! I wear mine because it's comfortable and keeps me warm and dry. In my experience - speaking as a motorist - I do find that cyclists wearing hi-viz show up for me sooner, on a dark road, than cyclists not in hi-viz. I concede that others dispute this finding.
If only you hadn't put those last two sentences on there - but you did, so let me point out that showing up sooner isn't what's disputed - it's whether it's significantly sooner and whether that does any good! Anyway, the research is in and hi-viz is considered harmful in https://www.camcycle.org.uk/newsletters ... cle23.html
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I wear hi-viz vests for work and have done for twenty years or more, as does practically everyone on any well run building site, so they are to be associated with decent people getting on with some honest task. People who bring them into disrepute should be stripped of them.
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pwa wrote:I wear hi-viz vests for work and have done for twenty years or more, as does practically everyone on any well run building site, so they are to be associated with decent people getting on with some honest task. People who bring them into disrepute should be stripped of them.
I was going to say he's a cyclist - half the population hate him already...
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Ben@Forest wrote:pwa wrote:I wear hi-viz vests for work and have done for twenty years or more, as does practically everyone on any well run building site, so they are to be associated with decent people getting on with some honest task. People who bring them into disrepute should be stripped of them.
I was going to say he's a cyclist - half the population hate him already...
Which half don't?
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pwa wrote:I wear hi-viz vests for work and have done for twenty years or more, as does practically everyone on any well run building site, so they are to be associated with decent people getting on with some honest task. People who bring them into disrepute should be stripped of them.
+ 1. I've worn hi-viz whilst working at everything from menial to professional level positions, as many people have (NB. And while it's irrelevant, I've honestly never met a poor sort wearing one ). The basic EN471 standard are incredibly cheap, c/w 10-20 times the reflective area of a purpose produced cycling high viz
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661-Pete wrote:No not the French Gilets Jaunes....
I'm talking about the English variety as sported by scum like this unpleasant individual.
Trouble is, I do wear my faithful old Altura jacket - which is yellow - when out cycling after dark (and also in daytime when cold or wet). And sometimes when off the bike. But I don't want to be in any way identified with this mob. Will the fact that mine is zipped and full-sleeved, rather than just a waistcoat, identify me as a bona fide wearer of hi-viz?
And let's not resume the hoary old debate about whether hi-viz makes you more visible or not! I wear mine because it's comfortable and keeps me warm and dry. In my experience - speaking as a motorist - I do find that cyclists wearing hi-viz show up for me sooner, on a dark road, than cyclists not in hi-viz. I concede that others dispute this finding.
Perhaps I should change to orange?
Actually the French lot seem worse than him - well at least he restricts his unpleasantness to shouting not
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So did hitler.pete75 wrote:well at least he restricts his unpleasantness to shouting...
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
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Camouflage, zebra stripes, pyjamas
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661-Pete wrote:So did hitler.pete75 wrote:well at least he restricts his unpleasantness to shouting...
Yes he did apart from the 6 million who died in his camps, the rape of Poland, the wholesale massacres in Russia and so on and so forth.
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker
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I should have added "....at first".pete75 wrote:661-Pete wrote:So did hitler.pete75 wrote:well at least he restricts his unpleasantness to shouting...
Yes he did apart from the 6 million who died in his camps, the rape of Poland, the wholesale massacres in Russia and so on and so forth.
Suppose that this room is a lift. The support breaks and down we go with ever-increasing velocity.
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
Let us pass the time by performing physical experiments...
--- Arthur Eddington (creator of the Eddington Number).
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661-Pete wrote:I should have added "....at first".pete75 wrote:661-Pete wrote:So did hitler.
Yes he did apart from the 6 million who died in his camps, the rape of Poland, the wholesale massacres in Russia and so on and so forth.
Not even then - there was stuff like the Munich Beer Hall Putsch quite early on in 1923 not long after he'd left the army. The putsch involved the use of machine guns, about 20 deaths with Hitler himself firing shots.
Anyhow reprehensible though the activities of the UK yellow vests are they're nowhere near as bad as those of their French counterparts encouraged by Marine Le Pen, a far more dangerous neo fascist than any in this country.
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker
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pete75 wrote:661-Pete wrote:I should have added "....at first".pete75 wrote:
Yes he did apart from the 6 million who died in his camps, the rape of Poland, the wholesale massacres in Russia and so on and so forth.
Not even then - there was stuff like the Munich Beer Hall Putsch quite early on in 1923 not long after he'd left the army. [...]
But German Workers Party Party Chairman Anton Drexler "was impressed with Hitler's oratorical skills" (wikipedia) as early as 1919, so the shouting indeed came first.
Still - nasty people. Are the UK Yellow Jackets a rebranding of blackshirts?
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We English do this sort of thing so much better though.
London and Manchester Riots 2011.
London and Manchester Riots 2011.