English Language - what "Does your head in" ??
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When you say "the conductor", I presume you're thinking of a tram with overhead electric power supply? Because the sort of conductor who sells tickets was absent from buses even in my childhood (1970s).
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I'm using the word in the same sense as the regs I quoted
The Public Service Vehicles (Conduct of Drivers, Inspectors, Conductors and Passengers) Regulations 1990
FWIW, we acquired / had dumped on us some bendy buses in Leeds only a few years ago (2010ish?) They had been in use in York where they were totally unsuitable and were only slightly less so in Leeds. To speed them up they had conductors - although the only ones I ever saw would have been called conductresses when most buses had a crew of two. They gave them an exotic job title - (hostesses?) - to make it all a bit more trendy but the destination boards said either "72 Leeds" or "72 Bradford."
And before anybody mentions it, I do know that bus inspectors are a rare breed these days. Perhaps London is different.
The Public Service Vehicles (Conduct of Drivers, Inspectors, Conductors and Passengers) Regulations 1990
FWIW, we acquired / had dumped on us some bendy buses in Leeds only a few years ago (2010ish?) They had been in use in York where they were totally unsuitable and were only slightly less so in Leeds. To speed them up they had conductors - although the only ones I ever saw would have been called conductresses when most buses had a crew of two. They gave them an exotic job title - (hostesses?) - to make it all a bit more trendy but the destination boards said either "72 Leeds" or "72 Bradford."
And before anybody mentions it, I do know that bus inspectors are a rare breed these days. Perhaps London is different.
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'These premises are alarmed'.??
I know the feeling. Have you see my electric bill
I know the feeling. Have you see my electric bill
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An interesting digression into public transport, but I'm not sure the queries re destination displays are really language issues. Confusing inaccuracies, maybe?
But busses, rather than buses? I guess you might argue that either might be acceptable, but for me, well, the double 's' "does my head in"
But busses, rather than buses? I guess you might argue that either might be acceptable, but for me, well, the double 's' "does my head in"
Ray
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt - Bertrand Russell
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt - Bertrand Russell
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My copy of Modern English Usage (Fowler) ie the first edition has this special mention under -s-, -ss-
If it didn't do Fowler's head in, it ought not to trouble us.
I suppose Fowler assumed that his readers all knew that omnibus was the dative plural of omnis meaning "for all."
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PS For the sake of completeness (and to slip in that I have all four editions of Fowler) Gowers doesn't mention it and both Burchfield and Butterfield have this:
ie Fowler's prediction was wrong, or perhaps has not yet come to pass.
... it will suffice to say that: (1) The plural of bus is usually buses; this irregularity is explained by the fact that buses is still regarded as an abbreviation of the regular omnibuses; when that is forgotten (& bus is now more usual than 'bus), doubtless buses will become, as it should, busses. ...
If it didn't do Fowler's head in, it ought not to trouble us.
I suppose Fowler assumed that his readers all knew that omnibus was the dative plural of omnis meaning "for all."
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PS For the sake of completeness (and to slip in that I have all four editions of Fowler) Gowers doesn't mention it and both Burchfield and Butterfield have this:
bus The form 'bus (with apostrophe) is now extinct. Inflected forms are: plural buses; ....
ie Fowler's prediction was wrong, or perhaps has not yet come to pass.
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My reaction was personal; far be it from me to insist that my preference should be taken as a rule. Busses somehow 'looks' wrong, just as 'alternate' rather than 'alternative' grates on me. At least there can be no misunderstanding with the double 's'; as the saying goes, they often come along in twos
Ray
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt - Bertrand Russell
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt - Bertrand Russell
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A goose laid a very ordinary egg, but some joker painted it gold when she left the nest for a short time. The goose seeing this, refused to sit on the egg for she did not want to hatch a golden gosling. In the opinion of the Plymouth Rock hen the golden egg was a fake and only a simple goose egg painted over. But the rooster believed whole-heartedly in the golden goose which eventually would appear and was willing to sit on it. This he does until he clumsily steps on it and breaks it. Moral: It is wiser to be hendubious than cocksure.
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Thanks, tc, I like that. Haven't come across that story before. So (pedantry alert!), was it a rooster, and not a gander, that attempted to incubate the golden egg?
Perhaps someone will be along soon to suggest that wisdom and gender are somehow related ?
Perhaps someone will be along soon to suggest that wisdom and gender are somehow related ?
Ray
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt - Bertrand Russell
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt - Bertrand Russell
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Ray wrote:My reaction was personal; far be it from me to insist that my preference should be taken as a rule. Busses somehow 'looks' wrong, just as 'alternate' rather than 'alternative' grates on me. At least there can be no misunderstanding with the double 's'; as the saying goes, they often come along in twos
Buss exists,and means kiss. Chambers' has forgotten it, though.
Related expressions: buss-tickets, buss timetable, buss-fare, school buss, private buss, standing room only, there's another one behind, etc.
Have we got time for another cuppa?
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Football vs Soccer. I always think soccer sounds like something you should put your feet
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Audax67 wrote:Buss exists,and means kiss. Chambers' has forgotten it, though.
Related expressions: buss-tickets, buss timetable, buss-fare, school buss, private buss, standing room only, there's another one behind, etc.
Unarguably an old-fashioned term, "to buss" is not yet extinct in North America. Extrapolating from thirdcrank's habitual erudition, I am inspired to propose the neologism "omnibuss" — a promiscuous show of affection to everyone in the room.
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I make good use of my bus pass. Where can I get a buss pass?
Ray
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt - Bertrand Russell
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt - Bertrand Russell
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The noun BUS is pluralised by me as wot I thort it shud bee.
Bus pluralised is buses as per the dictionaries, but "buses" would be pronounced bue-sez
Plural of bus should be buzz-ezz as in busses.
Mick F. Cornwall
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Maybe the word omnibus - and hence 'bus (with apostrophe) - has been consigned to history, but not so long ago as some have suggested. I distinctly remember when I was a child (1950s) seeing bus stops in Sussex carrying the wording OMNIBUSES STOP ON REQUEST.
But never "OMNIBUSSES". Even at that tender age I was a spelling pedant - I think I would have noticed...
But never "OMNIBUSSES". Even at that tender age I was a spelling pedant - I think I would have noticed...
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The man on the Clapham Omnibus is alive and well, or so our learned friends would have us believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_man_o ... am_omnibus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_man_o ... am_omnibus