My Lidl helmet - and fall

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My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby mercalia » 24 Mar 2019, 8:28pm

my Lidl helmet prevented a bad knock. As I got off my bike I fell backwards against an edge of a path, not very hard but the helmet showed the indent which would have been my head I assume. Thats the sort of accident I would assume a helmet is useful for ?

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Postby De Sisti » 24 Mar 2019, 9:03pm

mercalia wrote:my Lidl helmet prevented a bad knock. As I got off my bike I fell backwards against an edge of a path, not very hard but the helmet showed the indent which would have been my head I assume. Thats the sort of accident I would assume a helmet is useful for ?

Pretty sure your head would have hurt from the impact but not have had an indent like the helmet.

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby Brucey » 24 Mar 2019, 9:29pm

it probably did help you avoid an injury. But that won't stop folk from speculating that it

a) didn't
b) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow caused you to fall
c) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow caused the kerb to be there, or be more pointy than normal
d) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow made the impact worse than it would have been otherwise
e) that other forms of injury would still have happened or indeed could have been made worse by virtue of wearing a helmet.

or any one of countless other things that you wouldn't expect....

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby horizon » 24 Mar 2019, 9:37pm

mercalia wrote:my Lidl helmet prevented a bad knock. As I got off my bike I fell backwards against an edge of a path, not very hard but the helmet showed the indent which would have been my head I assume. Thats the sort of accident I would assume a helmet is useful for ?


If you were getting off your bike, I presume you wouldn't have been doing anything very different from a pedestrian navigating steps/pavement, carrying shopping etc and coping with a fall backwards. That's why most pedestrians now wear a helmet to protect against such accidents, even if the helmet wouldn't protect against being hit a by a car. And very sensible they are too in my view.
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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby thelawnet » 24 Mar 2019, 9:48pm

Brucey wrote:it probably did help you avoid an injury. But that won't stop folk from speculating


Another observation is that if I go on a (helmet-optional) group ride, everyone (except me) is wearing a helmet.

There are various possible conclusions from this, but I think the main one is that online helmet discussions may be (just a tad) unrepresentative.

(Another observation: someone fell off into a pothole on a ride and suffered some sort of dental injury (while, as per the above, wearing a helmet) and the local CTC group had some sort of motion about compelling helmets. I think this may have fallen by the wayside for whatever reason, but I think there was majority support?)

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby gaz » 24 Mar 2019, 10:51pm

thelawnet wrote:... the local CTC group had some sort of motion about compelling helmets. I think this may have fallen by the wayside for whatever reason ...

The compelling reason that this will have fallen by the wayside is that it is against Cycling UK policy for a Cycling UK group to have an overt mandatory helmet policy.
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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby drossall » 24 Mar 2019, 10:58pm

thelawnet wrote:There are various possible conclusions from this, but I think the main one is that online helmet discussions may be (just a tad) unrepresentative.

But only unrepresentative of opinion. The one thing that no-one has ever suggested, to my recollection, in any helmet discussion is that peoples' opinions of helmets' effectiveness change reality by one jot.

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby fastpedaller » 24 Mar 2019, 11:03pm

Brucey wrote:it probably did help you avoid an injury. But that won't stop folk from speculating that it

a) didn't
b) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow caused you to fall
c) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow caused the kerb to be there, or be more pointy than normal
d) that the presence of the helmet on your head somehow made the impact worse than it would have been otherwise
e) that other forms of injury would still have happened or indeed could have been made worse by virtue of wearing a helmet.

or any one of countless other things that you wouldn't expect....

cheers

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby fastpedaller » 24 Mar 2019, 11:05pm

drossall wrote:
thelawnet wrote:There are various possible conclusions from this, but I think the main one is that online helmet discussions may be (just a tad) unrepresentative.

But only unrepresentative of opinion. The one thing that no-one has ever suggested, to my recollection, in any helmet discussion is that peoples' opinions of helmets' effectiveness change reality by one jot.


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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby thelawnet » 24 Mar 2019, 11:10pm

gaz wrote:
thelawnet wrote:... the local CTC group had some sort of motion about compelling helmets. I think this may have fallen by the wayside for whatever reason ...

The compelling reason that this will have fallen by the wayside is that it is against Cycling UK policy for a Cycling UK group to have an overt mandatory helmet policy.


The full reasoning:

"He reported to the AGM the vast majority of the 32 respondents favoured the wearing of helmets and about half favoured mandatory wearing of helmets. The committee therefore decided to strongly recommend wearing of helmets."

"No action was proposed by the committee on making helmets mandatory.
Subsequently, CUK was contacted and has advised that the group could not mandate the wearing of helmets as it was not CUK policy."

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby mercalia » 24 Mar 2019, 11:13pm

I am starting to find it a bit hard some times to swing my leg off the bike, not so flexible as I was maybe and fell backward.
There must be here others who find getting on and off a bike not so easy as it was when they were younger?

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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby mjr » 24 Mar 2019, 11:29pm

I'm not really understanding how that resulted in a fall backwards.

I've kicked the bike over in different ways due to failed dismounts but I'm much heavier than the bike so it falls, not me.
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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby horizon » 25 Mar 2019, 12:41am

thelawnet wrote: and the local CTC group had some sort of motion about compelling helmets. I think this may have fallen by the wayside for whatever reason, but I think there was majority support?)


One can only hope that the group insisted on helmets for its motions.
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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby thelawnet » 25 Mar 2019, 12:49am

horizon wrote:
thelawnet wrote: and the local CTC group had some sort of motion about compelling helmets. I think this may have fallen by the wayside for whatever reason, but I think there was majority support?)


One can only hope that the group insisted on helmets for its motions.


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Re: My Lidl helmet - and fall

Postby mercalia » 25 Mar 2019, 9:35am

mjr wrote:I'm not really understanding how that resulted in a fall backwards.

I've kicked the bike over in different ways due to failed dismounts but I'm much heavier than the bike so it falls, not me.


well I would like to see how you get on and off a bike :shock: