Off road history.

Trips, adventures, bikes, equipment, etc.
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Re: Off road history.

Postby pedalsheep » 12 Jan 2019, 3:27pm

Yes looks great. I backed it too.
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Re: Off road history.

Postby Mike_Ayling » 23 Mar 2019, 3:31am

amediasatex wrote:
colin54 wrote:
rualexander wrote:Roughstuff Fellowship have some great old photos on their instagram account
https://www.instagram.com/rsfarchive/

What a fantastic selection of photo's, well done the archivist(s).


Agreed, excellent and I'm thankful they've taken the time to digitise and present them, there are thousands and thousands of pictures sitting in desk drawers and boxes in the loft that will liekly never see the light of day yet give us an amazing glimpse into the past, I can only hope more will surface as time goes on.


Gotta take your hat off to those blokes!
Most of them just on the touring bikes of the day, none of that wimpy fat tyres and suspension stuff!

Mike

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Re: Off road history.

Postby Gattonero » 23 Mar 2019, 1:50pm

Mike_Ayling wrote:...
Gotta take your hat off to those blokes!
Most of them just on the touring bikes of the day, none of that wimpy fat tyres and suspension stuff!

Mike


True, but speeds were much, much slower in that day.
It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best,
since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them.
Thus you remember them as they actually are...

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Re: Off road history.

Postby Mike_Ayling » 17 Apr 2019, 12:32am

Gattonero wrote:
Mike_Ayling wrote:...
Gotta take your hat off to those blokes!
Most of them just on the touring bikes of the day, none of that wimpy fat tyres and suspension stuff!

Mike


True, but speeds were much, much slower in that day.


I suspect that today's faster speeds are due to the new technology, wimpy fat tyres and suspension stuff plus better brakes rather than the cyclists abilities!


Mike

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Re: Off road history.

Postby iandriver » 18 Apr 2019, 11:38am

CTC Cambridge have some wonderful photos of the club in the 1930s https://ctccambridge.org.uk/ctccambridgein1930s

In the part of North London I grew up in, the river Lea was my real escape from the city, so my gas pipe single speed kids bike was my first go anywhere machine.

I still have the same basic criteria for a bike, it needs to go pretty much anywhere. I've got a Rock Lobster 853 MTB that I have had for many years, that now turns more heads than anything new.

I commute on a general purpose CX bike (rack and mudguard mounts), that to me is just a general purpose bike. Even my most road bike is a Kinesis 4S that has deep drop callipers and 32mm tyres. That coped very well with the dirt roads in Provence around the sunflower fields, as well as the like of Mont Ventoux.
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Re: Off road history.

Postby reohn2 » 18 Apr 2019, 11:41am

Mike_Ayling wrote:
Gattonero wrote:
Mike_Ayling wrote:...
Gotta take your hat off to those blokes!
Most of them just on the touring bikes of the day, none of that wimpy fat tyres and suspension stuff!

Mike


True, but speeds were much, much slower in that day.


I suspect that today's faster speeds are due to the new technology, wimpy fat tyres and suspension stuff plus better brakes rather than the cyclists abilities!


Mike

You mean bicycles made for the terrain they're to ridden over?
I own four(solo) bikes,discounting the folder which is specific of purpose,I could do all my cycling on any one of the remaining three,but eash is optimal for any given terrain,in the past most people could afford one bike and so used it for everthing.
Things have changed due to more disposable income.

PS,all have 'wimpey fat tyres' to a greater or lesser extent :wink:
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Re: Off road history.

Postby slowster » 18 Apr 2019, 2:41pm

Gattonero wrote:True, but speeds were much, much slower in that day.

reohn2 wrote:You mean bicycles made for the terrain they're to ridden over?

They were riding their bikes considerable distances both on-road and off-road, often the former in order to get to and from the latter, of which Wayfarer's Over the Top ride was an example.

If you are able to avoid riding on the road because you use a car to get to the trails or because you have good off-road riding on your doorstep, then it may make sense to have a bike that is much more biased to off-road use, but that potentially limits exploring further afield using roads to link off-road trails.

I recall one club run where we notched up 100 miles, with a long section of rough stuff in the middle forming a highlight of the ride. You could ride that section faster on an MTB or a so called monster cross bike, and you could ride the road part faster on a racing bike. But a traditional touring bike was - and remains - the best bike for the whole ride, providing the optimum compromise of speed and comfort.

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Re: Off road history.

Postby Mike Sales » 18 Apr 2019, 2:54pm

Years ago I crossed Nant Rhyd Wylim (Wayfarer's Pass) twice in one day on my Galaxy. I reached the road end and found I had lost my tool roll, so I turned round and retraced my tyre tracks. I didn't find the tools.

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Re: Off road history.

Postby reohn2 » 18 Apr 2019, 3:18pm

I ride on/offroad rides all the time,it depends on the ratio of off to onroad riding involved and how rough the rough bits are as what bike suits,especially as I'm getting older.
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Re: Off road history.

Postby iandriver » 18 Apr 2019, 3:29pm

slowster wrote:But a traditional touring bike was - and remains - the best bike for the whole ride, providing the optimum compromise of speed and comfort.


Have to disagree. My Surly Long Haul Trucker is the bike that gathers dust in my shed. Great for loaded touring, total overkill the rest of the time. A light tourer/ Audax maybe. I much prefer a machine that's more nimble than something that's designed for camping trip loads.
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Re: Off road history.

Postby slowster » 18 Apr 2019, 4:36pm

iandriver wrote:
slowster wrote:But a traditional touring bike was - and remains - the best bike for the whole ride, providing the optimum compromise of speed and comfort.


Have to disagree. My Surly Long Haul Trucker is the bike that gathers dust in my shed. Great for loaded touring, total overkill the rest of the time. A light tourer/ Audax maybe. I much prefer a machine that's more nimble than something that's designed for camping trip loads.

The Long Haul Trucker is NOT a traditional touring bike. It is a modern heavy duty touring bike optimised for load lugging. Traditional touring bikes are/were not designed to be at their best when carrying heavy loads: such use was generally limited and for the most part they were/are used lightly loaded, e.g. with a saddlebag for day rides. In other words, the sort of bikes in many of the RSF images, e.g. old model Dawes Galaxy, Claud Butlers, Jack Taylors etc. You might call that a light tourer, but they were and are simply traditional touring bikes.

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Re: Off road history.

Postby Gattonero » 19 Apr 2019, 7:49am

Mike_Ayling wrote:
Gattonero wrote:
Mike_Ayling wrote:...
Gotta take your hat off to those blokes!
Most of them just on the touring bikes of the day, none of that wimpy fat tyres and suspension stuff!

Mike


True, but speeds were much, much slower in that day.


I suspect that today's faster speeds are due to the new technology, wimpy fat tyres and suspension stuff plus better brakes rather than the cyclists abilities!


Mike


Big difference betwen "suspect" and "having seen/having ridden" :wink:

According to you, anyone riding a tyre over 1.75" is "a wimp"? Millions of them out in the woods :lol:

By the way, not only looking at the racing tracks but the dedicated trails in today's day are far, far more demanding than any trail that was ridden in the early '90s. And are ridden faster.

Truth is: cyclists have honed their skills, Is called "evolution" :wink:
It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best,
since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them.
Thus you remember them as they actually are...

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Re: Off road history.

Postby Bmblbzzz » 19 Apr 2019, 7:54pm

Mike Sales wrote:Years ago I crossed Nant Rhyd Wylim (Wayfarer's Pass) twice in one day on my Galaxy. I reached the road end and found I had lost my tool roll, so I turned round and retraced my tyre tracks. I didn't find the tools.

Hopefully they were either found by someone who is still making good use of them, or will be found by archaeologists several centuries from now!

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Re: Off road history.

Postby Bmblbzzz » 19 Apr 2019, 7:56pm

slowster wrote:
iandriver wrote:
slowster wrote:But a traditional touring bike was - and remains - the best bike for the whole ride, providing the optimum compromise of speed and comfort.


Have to disagree. My Surly Long Haul Trucker is the bike that gathers dust in my shed. Great for loaded touring, total overkill the rest of the time. A light tourer/ Audax maybe. I much prefer a machine that's more nimble than something that's designed for camping trip loads.

The Long Haul Trucker is NOT a traditional touring bike. It is a modern heavy duty touring bike optimised for load lugging. Traditional touring bikes are/were not designed to be at their best when carrying heavy loads: such use was generally limited and for the most part they were/are used lightly loaded, e.g. with a saddlebag for day rides. In other words, the sort of bikes in many of the RSF images, e.g. old model Dawes Galaxy, Claud Butlers, Jack Taylors etc. You might call that a light tourer, but they were and are simply traditional touring bikes.

Interesting. Certainly the LHT is heavy...

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Re: Off road history.

Postby Mike_Ayling » 22 Apr 2019, 12:10am

Gattonero wrote:
Mike_Ayling wrote:
Gattonero wrote:
True, but speeds were much, much slower in that day.


I suspect that today's faster speeds are due to the new technology, wimpy fat tyres and suspension stuff plus better brakes rather than the cyclists abilities!


Mike


Big difference betwen "suspect" and "having seen/having ridden" :wink:

According to you, anyone riding a tyre over 1.75" is "a wimp"? Millions of them out in the woods :lol:

By the way, not only looking at the racing tracks but the dedicated trails in today's day are far, far more demanding than any trail that was ridden in the early '90s. And are ridden faster.

Truth is: cyclists have honed their skills, Is called "evolution" :wink:


OK, fat tyres are not necessarily wimpy.
However the fact that today's trails are far more demanding than those of 30 years ago is because the new technology has enabled them to be so, brakes alone permit much faster speeds.
Yes the new technology does require different skills for today's riders to "hone" while having to replace their bikes and components at very short intervals.

Mike