Samuel D wrote:The whole scene is an affront to anyone who enjoys seeing. Living in that sort of built environment sucks the visual joy out of life and needlessly.
Too true. We are all creating a world without beauty.
Samuel D wrote:The whole scene is an affront to anyone who enjoys seeing. Living in that sort of built environment sucks the visual joy out of life and needlessly.
pjclinch wrote:...so that's all the time it's not raining (and that's most of the time, unless you stay in Glenfinnan or similar) you don't have to worry about the colour.
Bmblbzzz wrote:Too true. We are all creating a world without beauty.
irc wrote:mmcnay wrote:(That's why criminals wear black at night, and soldiers wear khaki. They don't want to be seen.)
No, no!!! They are just as easily seen in black as in bright colours. I'm surprised the SAS didn't wear HiViz when storming the IKranian embassy. According to some of the opinion here it would make no difference.
Cunobelin wrote:... Which beggars the question about the effectiveness of not only HiViz, but the present design for camouflage
Cunobelin wrote:Service towns typically have higher rates of cycling and many cyclists in camouflage... yet the carnage that should be happening doesn’t
irc wrote:Cunobelin wrote:Service towns typically have higher rates of cycling and many cyclists in camouflage... yet the carnage that should be happening doesn’t
Nobody on this thread has suggested HiViz makes the difference between carnage and safety. A small difference at the margin is what is being claimed as far as I have seen. So, that said, can you point to any stats comparing a service town with a similar non-service town to see what the difference is?
Samuel D wrote:..
Our cities have become “an impenetrable confusion of forms, colours and noises”. Is this really how we want to live?
mmcnay wrote:Sometimes, in bright summer days, I ride in the country without hi-viz, but mostly I wear a hi-viz bib - Altura red and yellow. And hi-viz ankle bands - and gloves or wristbands depending on the weather. It makes me feel safer (seen), and also feel that other road users will see my signals when I make a turn. (I often ride home in the evenings, from urban streets to the countryside.)
I'm not hysterical - I don't wear a helmet, and I am a confident cyclist who can command the lane in urban traffic.
But my decision is that I want to be seen, I want to be seen at the earliest opportunity so that other road users have the maximum amount of time to make decisions with my presence included in that decision.
This matters in low light situations - or when it is a bit misty or rainy.
Health and Safety is about assessing the risk (massive when cycling) and taking responsibility for my safety within that risk. Wearing black or other dull colours increases the risk of not being seen in low light situations. (That's why criminals wear black at night, and soldiers wear khaki. They don't want to be seen.)
Anyway, my two bob's worth.