Mike Sales wrote: There is no way homeopathy has any relation to modern medicine.
Yes, it is a diametrically opposed to it, as explained somewhere above.
Mike Sales wrote: There is no way homeopathy has any relation to modern medicine.
horizon wrote:pwa wrote:The official explanation for homeopathy is so ridiculous as to be comical, so it has to be placebo. Which is where it becomes interesting.
The official explanation for homeopathy is like cures like, which, while you may object to it, isn't comical. The claimed action of the remedy (dilution in water) is ridiculous to our thinking. The only effective way to know if it is real or not is through the statistics which do not show an effect. But try telling that to the thousands of people who wear and promote cycle helmets.
horizon wrote:pwa wrote:The official explanation for homeopathy is so ridiculous as to be comical, so it has to be placebo. Which is where it becomes interesting.
The official explanation for homeopathy is like cures like, which, while you may object to it, isn't comical. The claimed action of the remedy (dilution in water) is ridiculous to our thinking. The only effective way to know if it is real or not is through the statistics which do not show an effect. But try telling that to the thousands of people who wear and promote cycle helmets.
Tangled Metal wrote:horizon wrote:pwa wrote:The official explanation for homeopathy is so ridiculous as to be comical, so it has to be placebo. Which is where it becomes interesting.
The official explanation for homeopathy is like cures like, which, while you may object to it, isn't comical. The claimed action of the remedy (dilution in water) is ridiculous to our thinking. The only effective way to know if it is real or not is through the statistics which do not show an effect. But try telling that to the thousands of people who wear and promote cycle helmets.
I'm not sure if you meant this but to me the bold sentence above is effectively saying homeopathic treatment is not real because the statistics (assumed statistics obtained by clinical trials) so not show a effect. Basically you have defended homeopathy because you feel it works for you but in that sentence you're denying there's a effect.
Have you had a change of mind on homeopathy?
horizon wrote:Mike Sales wrote: There is no way homeopathy has any relation to modern medicine.
Yes, it is a diametrically opposed to it, as explained somewhere above.
horizon wrote:Just as an example (as there is a Radio 4 programme on at the moment about it), for sleeplessness a doctor would prescribe something that sends you to sleep (i.e. a sleeping tablet) that is proven to work. A homeopath OTOH would prescribe something that normally keeps you awake, like coffee, in a highly diluted form (i.e. no molecules left).
You can make of that what you will!
horizon wrote:But try telling that to the thousands of people who wear and promote cycle helmets.
gaz wrote:horizon wrote:But try telling that to the thousands of people who wear and promote cycle helmets.
Submerge an ordinary cycle helmet into a vat of water. Drain that water off, dilute it further, then further again and finally wash your hair with some of the solution. Sorted .
Tangled Metal wrote:Yes but the idea is to cure say lead poisoning by homeopathy you put lead in water then shake and dilute until no lead is present.
Any nasties that were in the water but no longer there will only cure you if you have something like it in your system. So clean tap water could be a cure all!
First, we prepare a one to one hundred dilution of the solution and then we succuss this new dilution vigorously at each step. (Succussion is the forceful pounding of the liquid dilution against a firm but resilient surface.)
Mike Sales wrote:Tangled Metal wrote:Yes but the idea is to cure say lead poisoning by homeopathy you put lead in water then shake and dilute until no lead is present.
Any nasties that were in the water but no longer there will only cure you if you have something like it in your system. So clean tap water could be a cure all!
As you say, it does need to be shaken (or succussed) as well!
I have a vague memory of something like a leather pad being involved too.
Ah yes.First, we prepare a one to one hundred dilution of the solution and then we succuss this new dilution vigorously at each step. (Succussion is the forceful pounding of the liquid dilution against a firm but resilient surface.)
This is from a purveyor of homeopathic remedies.
http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/hahnemann_labs_preparation.html
ThePinkOne wrote:I recommend Ben Goldacre's book "Bad Sience" and the stuff in there about homeopathy.
Basically, it "works" due to the placebo effect.
As he points out, the placebo effect is an amazing thing, even things like colour of pill can effect how well they work for different things.
TPO
horizon wrote:
So it does work then (even though it's a placebo)! So why not use it? I think the general opinion is that it doesn't usually work.