Vorpal wrote:Equal rights are equal. It doesn't mean someone else gets anything less.
Tell that to the women cyclists being beaten by men in women's events.
Vorpal wrote:Equal rights are equal. It doesn't mean someone else gets anything less.
landsurfer wrote:Vorpal wrote:Equal rights are equal. It doesn't mean someone else gets anything less.
Tell that to the women cyclists being beaten by men in women's events.
Vorpal wrote:landsurfer wrote:Vorpal wrote:Equal rights are equal. It doesn't mean someone else gets anything less.
Tell that to the women cyclists being beaten by men in women's events.
They aren't men.
thelawnet wrote:Vorpal wrote:landsurfer wrote:
Tell that to the women cyclists being beaten by men in women's events.
They aren't men.
Only by some arbitrary and meaningless declaration. Anyone can declare themselves of 'male' or 'female' gender, yet there is no objective reality to this declaration; there are some people even claiming to be male or female on different days.
Vorpal wrote:thelawnet wrote:Vorpal wrote:They aren't men.
Only by some arbitrary and meaningless declaration. Anyone can declare themselves of 'male' or 'female' gender, yet there is no objective reality to this declaration; there are some people even claiming to be male or female on different days.
Male / female as a binary is a societal construction. Although the majority of humans fit this, not all do, and some cultures recognise multiple genders, or view gender as a spectrum.
As long as we insist upon an arbitrary division of sexes, we will have issues like this. Some will say that sex is defined by chromosomes and hormones. Others will say it is defined by gender.
To define it by sex will always discriminate against some of those who do not fit male / female binary. Although some transgender people have made news by winning at sports, they are a tiny, tiny minority of athletes, and I cannot imagine that ever changing. If we must define things in such a manner, we need to split it according to how people legally declare themselves. To do otherwise will lead to continued discrimination.
Some states in the USA have laws requiring people in school sports to compete with people who belong to the same biological sex. This results in (transgender) men and boys competing with girls. When they win it's unfair. The alternative is to allow transgender women to compete with women. When they win it's unfair.
Nobody ever says it's unfair for transgender men to compete with other men. That alone tells me that the objection is based in bias / sexism.
Vorpal wrote: ... Nobody ever says it's unfair for transgender men to compete with other men. That alone tells me that the objection is based in bias / sexism.
Vorpal wrote:Transgender men do compete against other men.
They are less likely to make the news or be as prominent. The ones that are prominent, for the most part, are also activists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mosier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuyler_Bailar
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/04/04/t ... r-compete/
landsurfer wrote:Sorry i don't agree ...
Free speech cannot be trumped by disagreement with anothers opinion, how ever strongly held.
" Hate .. have an intense dislike for ".
I do not hate men who dress up as women to gain advantage in sport, i believe they are misrepresenting themselves and are cheats.
I do not hate them.
I do not hate men who dress up as women as part of a lifestyle choice. My son spent 3 years living full time as "Kate ". I do not hate him, actually i love him to bits.
I do not have any hatred towards transgender people.
I do not like sporting cheats.
I believe i have the right to say that in our society.