Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Commuting, Day rides, Audax, Incidents, etc.
MikeF
Posts: 3773
Joined: 11 Nov 2012, 9:24am
Location: On the borders of the four South East Counties

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby MikeF » 7 Jul 2019, 9:23pm

reohn2 wrote:... I've had four drivers overtake me giving me lots of room but in the face of oncoming traffic causing the oncoming drivers to brake heavily.The latest,today was on a left hand bend where I could see whilst riding in secondary position(about 1m from the kerb) the oncoming traffic easily.Mr Moroninafocus seemed oblivious and decides it's the ideal time to overtake completely in the opposing lane,the poor lady coming the other way had to do an ES to avoid a collision,loonies are "clowns to left of me,jokers to the right,here I am stuck in the middle....." sadly :roll: :? :twisted:
I've had that happen, but so long as they've given plenty of room for me I'm not particularly concerned what they do with their metal box protection.
"It takes a genius to spot the obvious" - my old physics master

skyhawk
Posts: 296
Joined: 30 May 2019, 3:00pm

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby skyhawk » 8 Jul 2019, 8:31am

MikeF wrote:
reohn2 wrote:... I've had four drivers overtake me giving me lots of room but in the face of oncoming traffic causing the oncoming drivers to brake heavily.The latest,today was on a left hand bend where I could see whilst riding in secondary position(about 1m from the kerb) the oncoming traffic easily.Mr Moroninafocus seemed oblivious and decides it's the ideal time to overtake completely in the opposing lane,the poor lady coming the other way had to do an ES to avoid a collision,loonies are "clowns to left of me,jokers to the right,here I am stuck in the middle....." sadly :roll: :? :twisted:
I've had that happen, but so long as they've given plenty of room for me I'm not particularly concerned what they do with their metal box protection.



I do remember the great advice given to me by a member of the cycling forum

"ride in the gutter get treated like dirt"

So I ride 18" out
Both I and my son are Autistic. We have aspergers and ADHD, not stupid :). If I sound "blunt" in my posts, please be understanding : I am not perfect. Thank you. Visit https://www.asdinfowales.co.uk/ to learn more

User avatar
Paulatic
Posts: 4273
Joined: 2 Feb 2014, 1:03pm
Location: 24 Hours from Lands End

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby Paulatic » 8 Jul 2019, 9:14am

skyhawk wrote:

I do remember the great advice given to me by a member of the cycling forum

"ride in the gutter get treated like dirt"

So I ride 18" out


18” that is the gutter.
Whatever I am, wherever I am, this is me. This is my life

https://stcleve.wordpress.com/category/lejog/

althebike
Posts: 242
Joined: 10 May 2018, 12:58pm

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby althebike » 8 Jul 2019, 11:19am

Twice on a recent ride I indicated to turn left, checked behind, clear, moved to right hand side of lane, waiting for a gap, checked behind saw car waiting, I acknowledged the wait as a sort of thank you for your patience, only to be overtaken by said vehicle. It left me wondering of my thank you wave was interpreted as an overtake sign by the other drivers.

tatanab
Posts: 3786
Joined: 8 Feb 2007, 12:37pm

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby tatanab » 8 Jul 2019, 11:44am

althebike wrote:Twice on a recent ride I indicated to turn left, checked behind, clear, moved to right hand side of lane.
I imagine that is in a country where they drive on the right.

skyhawk
Posts: 296
Joined: 30 May 2019, 3:00pm

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby skyhawk » 8 Jul 2019, 11:59am

Paulatic wrote:
skyhawk wrote:

I do remember the great advice given to me by a member of the cycling forum

"ride in the gutter get treated like dirt"

So I ride 18" out


18” that is the gutter.


Well 18" out from the gutter then
Both I and my son are Autistic. We have aspergers and ADHD, not stupid :). If I sound "blunt" in my posts, please be understanding : I am not perfect. Thank you. Visit https://www.asdinfowales.co.uk/ to learn more

DaveGos
Posts: 245
Joined: 13 Nov 2009, 12:40pm

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby DaveGos » 8 Jul 2019, 1:25pm

Had an interesting one this weekend on a trip to London I cycled up the lane marked for cycles to the advanced stop / bike area. Most of the area was occupied by a taxi pointing slightly to the left . I was there on inside a little behind . We were stopped there about a minute . I was thinking of tapping his window , but did not fancy a confrontation on my little holiday as it tends to lead to a bad mood for the rest of the day . He was resolutely avoiding eye contact. Lights changed he gave me a look I interpreted as I am going first , turned left across me . I decided that life preservation was the best policy so had not started off

peetee
Posts: 1453
Joined: 4 May 2010, 10:20pm
Location: Cornwall

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby peetee » 8 Jul 2019, 3:35pm

DaveGos wrote:Had an interesting one this weekend on a trip to London I cycled up the lane marked for cycles to the advanced stop / bike area. Most of the area was occupied by a taxi pointing slightly to the left . I was there on inside a little behind . We were stopped there about a minute . I was thinking of tapping his window , but did not fancy a confrontation on my little holiday as it tends to lead to a bad mood for the rest of the day . He was resolutely avoiding eye contact. Lights changed he gave me a look I interpreted as I am going first , turned left across me . I decided that life preservation was the best policy so had not started off


That taxi driver was exhibiting the sort of arrogant behaviour that no amount of driver education and inclusive road infrastructure will overcome.
Your story is a lesson in putting vigilance before blind, faith, rightiousness, high vis and, well, everything really.
Current status report:
Latter side of fifty and feeling less than nifty.
Too many bikes on pegs and too few miles in the legs.

ket
Posts: 22
Joined: 10 Apr 2012, 5:07pm

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby ket » 8 Jul 2019, 4:41pm

Interestingly, having just returned from a tour of the D day beaches, out of all the close overtaking passes, 80% were from drivers with a UK car registration. Is this indicative of our current society here? Several occasions the local drivers were courteous and did not endanger themselves or us three cyclists in their overtaking.

User avatar
Cugel
Posts: 2764
Joined: 13 Nov 2017, 11:14am

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby Cugel » 8 Jul 2019, 10:08pm

peetee wrote:
DaveGos wrote:Had an interesting one this weekend on a trip to London I cycled up the lane marked for cycles to the advanced stop / bike area. Most of the area was occupied by a taxi pointing slightly to the left . I was there on inside a little behind . We were stopped there about a minute . I was thinking of tapping his window , but did not fancy a confrontation on my little holiday as it tends to lead to a bad mood for the rest of the day . He was resolutely avoiding eye contact. Lights changed he gave me a look I interpreted as I am going first , turned left across me . I decided that life preservation was the best policy so had not started off


That taxi driver was exhibiting the sort of arrogant behaviour that no amount of driver education and inclusive road infrastructure will overcome.
Your story is a lesson in putting vigilance before blind, faith, rightiousness, high vis and, well, everything really.


That London!

The ladywife et moi went for a 29 miler today along many types of Welsh road, even a bit of the A; also some B but mostly the the weeny yellow 'uns. Although the traffic was, as always, extremely light, every driver but one was very courteous, careful and considerate. Naturally we reciprocated, stopping in passing places to let one behind pass, for example.

The courteous drivers included a tractor with a huge hedge-cutting gubbins that backed up 50 yards to a passing place so we could squeeze past; a UPS van; a DPD van. Considerate to a fault. Cheery waves and halloos all 'round.

The one exception? A Heddlu (rozzer) car that sneaked up on us from behind on a very narrow lane in the middle of nowhere and close-passed with about 6 inches to spare, very slowly. I believe the rascal was trying to intimidate us. It crept off when we weren't. It did help that we both have mirrors so saw it trying to sneak up without a peep or even a bit of engine noise.

Cugel

althebike
Posts: 242
Joined: 10 May 2018, 12:58pm

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby althebike » 9 Jul 2019, 1:24pm

tatanab sorry that was a typo, in both cases, I checked behind,signalled, moved into the right hand lane to do a right turn, and in both cases a car moved from the left hand lane to overtake me

reohn2
Posts: 36678
Joined: 26 Jun 2009, 8:21pm

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby reohn2 » 9 Jul 2019, 1:47pm

skyhawk wrote:Well 18" out from the gutter then

It's much better between 2ft 6in and 3ft depending on road width.
-----------------------------------------------------------
I cycle therefore I am.

User avatar
The utility cyclist
Posts: 2513
Joined: 22 Aug 2016, 12:28pm
Location: The first garden city

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby The utility cyclist » 9 Jul 2019, 3:49pm

ket wrote:Interestingly, having just returned from a tour of the D day beaches, out of all the close overtaking passes, 80% were from drivers with a UK car registration. Is this indicative of our current society here? Several occasions the local drivers were courteous and did not endanger themselves or us three cyclists in their overtaking.

And the times I've ridden in France I've had plenty of cruddy close passes, even in the countryside/villages, all by French drivers, when you look at the bare facts, French drivers as just as bad when it comes to killing and maiming people on bikes, Germany and Spain same as. It might 'feel' better overall given all these countries have more segregated but the actuality is that on the road itself it's actually worse than the UK. Stats don't lie.

Oh and the don't mention the Swiss, bloody awful drivers :evil:

brynpoeth
Posts: 11410
Joined: 30 Nov 2013, 11:26am

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby brynpoeth » 10 Jul 2019, 7:08pm

reohn2 wrote:
skyhawk wrote:Well 18" out from the gutter then

It's much better between 2ft 6in and 3ft depending on road width.

Or 100 cm (39.37 inches) maybe? :wink:
Entertainer, kidult, curmudgeon
Cycling-of course, but it is far better on a Gillott
We love safety cameras, we love life

Herts Audax
Posts: 22
Joined: 17 Aug 2018, 1:59pm

Re: Why do drivers think this acceptable?

Postby Herts Audax » 11 Jul 2019, 9:15pm

rmurphy195 wrote:I'm a diver and it isn't acceptable, I've been "victim" to it many times when cycling.



Do you get overtaken when diving? I hate it when sharks do that .