Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

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Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Mike Sales » 30 Aug 2019, 8:56am

https://road.cc/content/news/266005-live-blog-did-mandatory-helmet-law-kill-melbournes-bike-share-scheme-more

Yes seems to be the popular answer, though there are other problems mentioned. including "helmet hair".

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby mattheus » 30 Aug 2019, 9:06am

What do you think, Mike?

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Mike Sales » 30 Aug 2019, 9:15am

mattheus wrote:What do you think, Mike?


I can see why people do not want to buy a helmet for every use, carry one around in case, or put a sweaty used one on their head. I don't like wearing one anyway. Helmet hair would not be a problem for me, but I don't like to criticise those who like to look good.
Also mentioned are the poor facilities, and scary traffic, and from what I have heard of Oz, many drivers have a hostile attitude to cyclists.
So I think that the helmet thing is a part of a generally poor environment for cyclists. Helmet laws are usually a symptom of an anti-cycling society.

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby mattheus » 30 Aug 2019, 9:26am

Mike Sales wrote:
mattheus wrote:What do you think, Mike?


I can see why people do not want to buy a helmet for every use, carry one around in case, or put a sweaty used one on their head. I don't like wearing one anyway. Helmet hair would not be a problem for me, but I don't like to criticise those who like to look good.
Also mentioned are the poor facilities, and scary traffic, and from what I have heard of Oz, many drivers have a hostile attitude to cyclists.
So I think that the helmet thing is a part of a generally poor environment for cyclists. Helmet laws are usually a symptom of an anti-cycling society.


That seems like a fair summary of the situation :thumbsup:

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby mjr » 30 Aug 2019, 9:48am

The problem IMO is also that you don't know whether a helmet has been dropped, cracked and compromised. So as well as the non-users not wanting to ride, some believers won't trust rental hats and so won't ride.

Relatedly: has public mass cycle hire worked anywhere with helmet forcing?

Edit to add: I think Spain has a helmet law but cities are excluded from the forcing.
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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Wanlock Dod » 30 Aug 2019, 10:47am

mjr wrote:Relatedly: has public mass cycle hire worked anywhere with helmet forcing?

Helsinki has a city bike scheme which they seem to think is pretty successful, and I also have a feeling that they have a helmet law. I suspect that the difference with Australia is in how the helmet law is enforced.

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Spinners » 30 Aug 2019, 10:57am

Wanlock Dod wrote:
mjr wrote:Relatedly: has public mass cycle hire worked anywhere with helmet forcing?

Helsinki has a city bike scheme which they seem to think is pretty successful, and I also have a feeling that they have a helmet law.



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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Mike Sales » 30 Aug 2019, 12:13pm

This U tube video, comparing the success of Dublin's bike hire with the failure of Melbourne's makes a good case for dropping the helmet compulsion.
They have had one fatality in a million hires in Dublin.
They are clear that the reason for Melbourne's failure is made of expanded polystyrene.
They spoil this a little by suggesting that this is because the hire bikes are slow, heavy and conspicuous, and seem to imply that the exemption should be only for hire bikes.
Sure, it's the fault of those fast, light stealth cyclists that they get into trouble!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPjvZlAl_js

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Wanlock Dod » 30 Aug 2019, 12:15pm

Numerous sources report that the law requires cyclists in Finland to wear a helmet but that there is no mechanism for enforcement, so that in practice it is only effectively a recommendation. Here is one such example:
Current legislation requires that bikers and persons being carried on bikes wear appropriate protective headgear when on the move - but doesn't prescribe any penalty for violations.

That is a very different situation to Australia where helmet laws are vigorously enforced, at least in some states.

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 30 Aug 2019, 7:50pm

Just read that linked story from the Sydney Morning Herald
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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Cunobelin » 30 Aug 2019, 8:40pm

There was a company that was trying to make them compulsory for "Boris Bikes" in London.

They gave up after a few salient points:

Given that poorly fitted helmets can increase injuries, how were they going to monitor the fit for riders
Given that helmets need to be replaced after a serious impact and in some cases a minor impact how were they going to monitor the helmets for damage
Given that there are a number of infestations, and scalp conditions, how were they going to keep the helmets clean and prevent this

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Mike Sales » 30 Aug 2019, 8:48pm

Cunobelin wrote:There was a company that was trying to make them compulsory for "Boris Bikes" in London.



I've looked for pictures of Piffle on a bike. In most he is lidless. I wonder if he fears a helmet would spoil his carefully dishevelled hair.

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby mattheus » 31 Aug 2019, 12:28pm

Mike Sales wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:There was a company that was trying to make them compulsory for "Boris Bikes" in London.



I've looked for pictures of Piffle on a bike. In most he is lidless. I wonder if he fears a helmet would spoil his carefully dishevelled hair.


Is it so hard to say that a PM riding a bike without a helmet is a good thing??

You could still throw in all the usual Boris insults if it makes you happy - win-win :)

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Mike Sales » 31 Aug 2019, 12:35pm

mattheus wrote:
Mike Sales wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:There was a company that was trying to make them compulsory for "Boris Bikes" in London.



I've looked for pictures of Piffle on a bike. In most he is lidless. I wonder if he fears a helmet would spoil his carefully dishevelled hair.


Is it so hard to say that a PM riding a bike without a helmet is a good thing??

You could still throw in all the usual Boris insults if it makes you happy - win-win :)



Not at all difficult. I am all for it.
I was just tickled by the idea that there should an attempt to make helmets obligatory for riders on bikes named after the mostly lidless oaf.

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Re: Did mandatory helmet law kill Melbourne's bike share scheme?

Postby Cunobelin » 31 Aug 2019, 12:40pm

I do believe that Boris wasn't sure how to get on the bike, so arranged to be lowered into the saddle.....

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He wore a helmet for that bit