I was up early to hear how things have gone.Oldjohnw wrote:I used to wonder how Germany in the 1930s let it happen. Now I think I know.
It has been a sad night of results, and I agree with your point entirely.
I was up early to hear how things have gone.Oldjohnw wrote:I used to wonder how Germany in the 1930s let it happen. Now I think I know.
Oldjohnw wrote:I used to wonder how Germany in the 1930s let it happen. Now I think I know.
horizon wrote:TrevA wrote:
. . . it looks like the Red Wall is crumbling
I think it is time it did crumble. It is hard to see how a political party can straddle the aspirations of a young entrepreneur in Hackney and an ex-miner in Doncaster. Although I identify strongly with Corbyn, I never felt comfortable with the Labour party.
There is a natural majority amongst the young for internationalism, the EU, environmentalism and multi-ethnicity. None of those ideas have found root in Labour's traditional working class voters and it's time they were allowed to find their own home. Boris has offered them lodging for the time being and, let's face it, there were other far less attractive hosts out there.
windmiller wrote:A brilliant result for democracy. You can hear liberal reality bubbles pop pop popping. Very satisying that the odious Jo Swinson was put to the sword.
bikepacker wrote:Just as I expected the majority of people are wrong and the CUK Marxists s are right.
Stradageek wrote:Can we declare a national day of mourning?
So I now live in a country where 45% of the population are daft enough to be manipulated into supporting a minority government which our broken electoral system awards a massive majority.
Only those of us who lived through the Thatcher years can have a clear idea of what is going to happen next - and it wont be pretty!
djnotts wrote:I think will make Thatcher era look positively benign.
Bonefishblues wrote:mjr wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:I think a big Tory majority is most calculated to frustrate the SNP's ambition, despite their success.
It would be a bit naughty for the new government to oppose Scotland's right to self-determination.
And the Tories would give a monkeys because exactly why? They can win without Scotland, clearly, so would they really care.
irc wrote:Almost every poll has shown a majority for remain in UK.
If there is to be another indyref it should be after Brexit is done, dusted, and settled in. 2026 at the earliest.
The SNP got a majority of Scottish seats last time on 39% of the vote. So 60% (guessing Greens were around 1%) voted for unionist parties. Lets see what they get this time.
pete75 wrote:horizon wrote:TrevA wrote:
. . . it looks like the Red Wall is crumbling
I think it is time it did crumble. It is hard to see how a political party can straddle the aspirations of a young entrepreneur in Hackney and an ex-miner in Doncaster. Although I identify strongly with Corbyn, I never felt comfortable with the Labour party.
There is a natural majority amongst the young for internationalism, the EU, environmentalism and multi-ethnicity. None of those ideas have found root in Labour's traditional working class voters and it's time they were allowed to find their own home. Boris has offered them lodging for the time being and, let's face it, there were other far less attractive hosts out there.
So how do you think the Tory party can represent the aspirations of a hedge fund manager in London and an ex miner in Donny?