Bonefishblues wrote:I fear it may go down in history as the prime example of national self-harm...
Who for,the Scots or the rest of the UK?
Bonefishblues wrote:I fear it may go down in history as the prime example of national self-harm...
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:hi,
I realise as a Scott this is not what you want to hear.
It's not tropes it's the mechanism for what Scotland will have to do.
Stamping your feet will not get a democratic situation.
If indeed the UK leaving the EU has financial repercussions?
Are you then sure that all but the hardliners for indy2 Will still favour rejoining the eu?
Scottish independence is for the Scots for sure all the voting electorate, I am just outlining the mechanism for getting there.
horizon wrote:My take on Scottish independence is that while it might not yet be the majority view, it is pretty breathtaking that 45% of the Scottish people look in horror at my own country and wish to disassociate themselves from it. Having said that, I don't blame them.
georgew wrote:NATURAL ANKLING wrote:hi,
I realise as a Scott this is not what you want to hear.
It's not tropes it's the mechanism for what Scotland will have to do.
Stamping your feet will not get a democratic situation.
If indeed the UK leaving the EU has financial repercussions?
Are you then sure that all but the hardliners for indy2 Will still favour rejoining the eu?
Scottish independence is for the Scots for sure all the voting electorate, I am just outlining the mechanism for getting there.
It's kind of you to be concerned for our welfare....it's touching but there is no need ....really.
There are some clever people up here....and like all the Independent countries faced with the same problem, I daresay we will muddle through.
I would have thought that you'd b more concerned about the deficit in your budget when England loses the income from oil.....you know...the same oil that paid for all the unemployed after Thatcher closed down the heavy industries. Again.....you should be scratching your head and wondering exactly where Trident will be situated as that may be a little problem. It would be helpful surely if you could provide some answers.......even an outline would be welcome.
Polisman wrote:windmiller wrote:Cunobelin wrote:THe idea of individual EU status is an interesting concept
One wonders if Scotland could use this as a "back door" to the EU
Spain will veto the membership of Scotland. I read somewhere that the EU plans to abolish the veto. This won't work out well for the weaker member states as the EU will use it to dismantle what little democracy remains and force feed its' programme of control and punishment to disobedient voices.
Ah that old chestnut. Let's do another fact check for you Windy. Spain has on numerous occasions said that it categorically won't block Scotlands bid, nothing to do with the EU, just self preservation and a desire to stick it to the Brits. As recently as 2017:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... to-join-eu
windmiller wrote:Polisman wrote:windmiller wrote:
Spain will veto the membership of Scotland. I read somewhere that the EU plans to abolish the veto. This won't work out well for the weaker member states as the EU will use it to dismantle what little democracy remains and force feed its' programme of control and punishment to disobedient voices.
Ah that old chestnut. Let's do another fact check for you Windy. Spain has on numerous occasions said that it categorically won't block Scotlands bid, nothing to do with the EU, just self preservation and a desire to stick it to the Brits. As recently as 2017:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... to-join-eu
That article is 3 years old and from the Guardian which has printed more fake news than all the other newspapers combined
Oldjohnw wrote:windmiller wrote:Polisman wrote:
Ah that old chestnut. Let's do another fact check for you Windy. Spain has on numerous occasions said that it categorically won't block Scotlands bid, nothing to do with the EU, just self preservation and a desire to stick it to the Brits. As recently as 2017:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... to-join-eu
That article is 3 years old and from the Guardian which has printed more fake news than all the other newspapers combined
Best news I've heard in a long time, windmiller. The Guardian reported that the Tories had won the 2019 GE. I can sleep soundly tonight knowing that this is fake news.
Thanks for this!
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,georgew wrote:NATURAL ANKLING wrote:hi,
I realise as a Scott this is not what you want to hear.
It's not tropes it's the mechanism for what Scotland will have to do.
Stamping your feet will not get a democratic situation.
If indeed the UK leaving the EU has financial repercussions?
Are you then sure that all but the hardliners for indy2 Will still favour rejoining the eu?
Scottish independence is for the Scots for sure all the voting electorate, I am just outlining the mechanism for getting there.
It's kind of you to be concerned for our welfare....it's touching but there is no need ....really.
There are some clever people up here....and like all the Independent countries faced with the same problem, I daresay we will muddle through.
I would have thought that you'd b more concerned about the deficit in your budget when England loses the income from oil.....you know...the same oil that paid for all the unemployed after Thatcher closed down the heavy industries. Again.....you should be scratching your head and wondering exactly where Trident will be situated as that may be a little problem. It would be helpful surely if you could provide some answers.......even an outline would be welcome.
Joke!
I shouldn't be concerned about scots or anything the other side of a border but more concerned about where I live.
Its not you and me or them and us, we virtual plebs cannae change nothing, my opinions are singular mine along with some luck for my future thrown in.
England etc are not concerned about indy2, you have avery long journey to set the wheels in motion..........and then you will have to deal with EU......
Oil is that the dwindling oil you are talking about and the subsidies we pay?
I fear that the scots are also blinded by the long list of free benefits it is being promised?
Trident is for all our safety as a nation, if you want to part you will need to build yours?
Unprotected...................Russia might just be a very close neighbour.
I have nothing to fear I live in England in sunny south
There is a big elephant in the room that most don't even know about or would rather it did not exist and its not earthy too.
georgew wrote: It does raise the question..... that if we are such a burden to the UK.....then why all the efforts to stop us leaving?
irc wrote:
If Brexit is this excuse (another will be along soon) then the logical thing is to wait and see exactly how Brexit pans out before having another referendum.
The next referendum should have a minimum time before any future referendums in the text
irc wrote:[
What efforts? We had a referendum in 2014 and voted to stay. It was a referendum not a neverendum. It was divisive and distracted from other govt business. In the 2019 UK general election 55% voted for unionist parties. Not juistification for a referendum.
irc wrote:
The next referendum should have a minimum time before any future referendums in the text as verbal assurances from SNP politicians of it being a once in a generation vote are worthless.