The utility cyclist wrote:80% of Italian deceased have two or more existing ailments, it would seem atributing C.19 as cause of death is at epidemic levels everywhere at the moment. Even a UK coroner trying to fudge the numbers which a hospital are saying is incorrect
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/So much pressure on people to follow with the grain they cannot see by doing so they create the bias that follows the same pattern as before that started the whole issue off. Test more find more, rinse and repeat until you think you have a massive pandemic/high mortality rate that is false created by the chain of events and humans protecting their own backs.
Germany 25,000 Excess Winter deaths just from flu in 2017/18
Same for Italy in 2016/17, that's before the rises in the year after.
That's excess deaths on top of the norm
And people here use years out of date averages of 17,000 annual flu deaths for England
I wonder what the attributable deaths from influenza would be if applying the same testing numbers/rates and attributing methods for C.19
May I suggest that, although your posts correctly indicate that there is no easy cause & effect mechanic applicable to the complex interactions of humans, various human malfunctions, the agents of the malfunctions and the environment in which it all occurs ....... you still fall over this same difficulty yourself by essentially saying, "It's this not that".
Of course the virus is acting more as a catalyst in the death-dealing processes than a singular and direct cause of death, in the great majority of cases. This is surely true of all human illnesses, though, despite coroners wanting a nice singular cause for their certificates.
Yet it seems an obvious truism that a catalyst (such as the COVID bug) can and does increase the incidence of a reaction and it's outcome (death processes in humans) above and beyond the norm or uncatalysed situation. All this arguing that you do about what "the real" cause is seems to ignore this simple catalytic effect of COVID.....?
And does it not also, being a novel virus to human immune systems, compress a "normal" death rate too, merely by doing it's death dealing act rather more swiftly than does a flu or other thing which many humans have some degree of resilience against compared to COVID?
I don't understand what central point you're trying to make, really, other than "I am right and everyone not agreeing with me is wrong". Or is that just your rhetorical style? It does tend to obscure your essential message.
I know you'll issue a long and noisy corrective if you feel my description of the catalytic effect is "wrong".
Cugel
“Practical men who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence are usually the slaves of some defunct economist”.
John Maynard Keynes
