foxyrider wrote:
Depth of the bars is a bit of red herring in this conversation as you don't Honk from the drops!
Some cyclists do.
foxyrider wrote:
Depth of the bars is a bit of red herring in this conversation as you don't Honk from the drops!
ANTONISH wrote:foxyrider wrote:
Depth of the bars is a bit of red herring in this conversation as you don't Honk from the drops!
Some cyclists do.
Paulatic wrote:ANTONISH wrote:foxyrider wrote:
Depth of the bars is a bit of red herring in this conversation as you don't Honk from the drops!
Some cyclists do.
But is that effective? Won’t it make you stick your bum out and you want it in and over the pedals.
ANTONISH wrote:Paulatic wrote:ANTONISH wrote:
Some cyclists do.
But is that effective? Won’t it make you stick your bum out and you want it in and over the pedals.
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also see Marco Pantani, Raymond Poulidor, Henny Kuiper and lots of other professionals. If you are on the drops and you come to a rise you may do this as opposed to changing your hand position. Pantani often climbed on the drops and got out of the saddle while remaining on the drops.
Mick F wrote:Until this thread arrived, I always thought that I was Mr Average.horizon wrote:6. I thought for a long time that the issue was about wanting drops and the fact that you stretch forward onto the hoods and that switching to straight bars would solve the problem. In fact I now think that isn't altogether true: you may want to place your hands on the leading edge of the drops (nearest to you) or on the "shoulders". This part of the drops should be equivalent to a straight bar. But if the bars are too far away, even this position won't be quite right and neither are straight bars though of course not as bad as reaching to the brake hoods. This also tends to exclude drop bars with less reach - basically they are just too far away.
The thing is, I still consider myself Mr Average because I have never ever had any problem buying shirts, suits, jumpers, trousers because they all fit straight off the peg.
It now transpires that I'm an ape with 4" or maybe 6" longer reach than my height. Dunno how I fit into shirts and suits without a problem with arm length! I do, honestly. Therefore people with shorter arms than me must have terrible problems.
Now, reading Horizon's post, it makes me realise why I'm happy on drops and see no aerodynamic benefit from going down on the drops. I can reach the tops, the hoods, and the drops without moving my body much at all. The reach is all the same to me.
Until I read this thread, I thought everybody was the same as me, but now I realise that I'm quite blessed having longer arms. It makes me very tolerant of bike-fit and why my Mercian was so easy to design for me.
foxyrider wrote:ANTONISH wrote:Paulatic wrote:
But is that effective? Won’t it make you stick your bum out and you want it in and over the pedals.
[imgCharly Gaul.jpg][/img]
also see Marco Pantani, Raymond Poulidor, Henny Kuiper and lots of other professionals. If you are on the drops and you come to a rise you may do this as opposed to changing your hand position. Pantani often climbed on the drops and got out of the saddle while remaining on the drops.
In the pic his bars are very shallow reach wise with a long 'tail' which means his arms are behind the bar, most modern road bars wouldn't allow this instead forcing an awkward 'around the bar' stance.
ANTONISH wrote:foxyrider wrote:ANTONISH wrote:
[imgCharly Gaul.jpg][/img]
also see Marco Pantani, Raymond Poulidor, Henny Kuiper and lots of other professionals. If you are on the drops and you come to a rise you may do this as opposed to changing your hand position. Pantani often climbed on the drops and got out of the saddle while remaining on the drops.
In the pic his bars are very shallow reach wise with a long 'tail' which means his arms are behind the bar, most modern road bars wouldn't allow this instead forcing an awkward 'around the bar' stance.
[img]Pantani.jpg[/img]
1998 on the Peyresourde - he was 2km from the top and well clear That was his chosen position. I can find other examples but in the end I suspect you won't be convinced.
foxyrider wrote:ANTONISH wrote:foxyrider wrote:
In the pic his bars are very shallow reach wise with a long 'tail' which means his arms are behind the bar, most modern road bars wouldn't allow this instead forcing an awkward 'around the bar' stance.
[img]Pantani.jpg[/img]
1998 on the Peyresourde - he was 2km from the top and well clear That was his chosen position. I can find other examples but in the end I suspect you won't be convinced.
You missed my point about the bar shape affecting the ability to do this, your Pantani pic shows his arms behind the bar which again suggests a short forward reach bar or at least one with a long rear facing section - most modern road bars are just not that shape.
Of course the other question is, is that really honking?
jimlews wrote:mattsccm wrote:On the other hand Jim it allows you to power up a hill without loosing speed or tackle a hill without dropping a gear or riding a hill thatsxrather steep. Of course leisure cycling to me is coming back knackered or there was minimal point in being out. Crusing around with minimal effort is not why i cycle.
We obviously cycle for different reasons. Different strokes etc.
My primary motivation is to see the countryside in all it's bucolic languor. I am a non competitive cyclist and generally ride alone for the quiet contemplation of the landscape. Dropping down a gear holds no terrors for me; I don't feel that my masculinity has been compromised by so doing. Indeed, I feel that to not avail myself of the lowest gear ratio available is just daft. The machismo of the racing ethos has a lot to answer for.
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I'm not sure about the term honking I think it's a derogatory one is it, Climbing is what is normally used as the term I think.
Certainly people I meet I've never mentioned either climbing or honking.
thatsnotmyname wrote:NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I'm not sure about the term honking I think it's a derogatory one is it, Climbing is what is normally used as the term I think.
Certainly people I meet I've never mentioned either climbing or honking.
It's not a 'derogatory' term - it's just a word used to describe riding out of the saddle, usually while making a higher effort level than usual. It's not specific to climbing either.
Vorpal wrote:In the US, honking is to ride so hard you throw up, while climbing out of the saddle is 'danceuse', which I think is the French word.
You don't want to know about bonking