Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

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tinribs
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Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby tinribs » 15 Aug 2020, 3:13pm

Anyone got any experience of these? Thinking of it as an alternative to new brooks saddle.

Thanks

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby fatboy » 15 Aug 2020, 5:27pm

I tried their Nidd saddles but gave up. They never broke in and I kept breaking the nose piece. I gave up on Brooks too as my one got too saggy and put pressure on my prostate but that's another story!
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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby SimonCelsa » 15 Aug 2020, 9:21pm

I've only just realised the saddle I currently have on my commuter is probably a 'Calder'. I bought it second hand a few years ago but never really gave it a good try as it seemed a little unyielding. Having recently put together a fixed gear commuter I needed another saddle and committed to break this one in. I've been using it now almost daily for the past couple of months for a relatively short commute and must have put just over 1000 miles on it.

Here's how it looks now:

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which is pretty much as it looked 'out of the box' I would imagine. Still rock hard and unyielding but maybe my arris has hardened up as it is not that uncomfortable anymore. My commute is maximum 10 miles per day and the furthest I've been on this bike is only 40 miles. I tend to prefer a wider saddle as I reckon my sitbones are quite far apart.

Anyhow, getting back to the saddle, no technical defects to report. I have proofed it with the 'SPA' cream solution numerous times to try and soften it a bit (no difference noted) and have given it a polish with 'Kiwi' light tan to even out the colour. The leather and backing material have a combined thickness of around 6-7mm so with my paltry 74kg pummelling the hide I can't really see this saddle getting any more pliable. It may be beneficial to give it a good soaking and ride it sodden for a few hours.

On the whole I am reasonably satisfied with the saddle. Hope that helps a bit, Cheers!

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby tinribs » 16 Aug 2020, 9:20am

Brilliant, thanks very much for all your advice! I've loved my current Brooks but haven't been as fastidious as I should have been with looking after it and it's now a shadow of its former self. So was just think of the spa saddles are probably v similar.

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby SimonCelsa » 16 Aug 2020, 9:34am

From my experience (limited, admittedly) I think the SPA saddles will take a lot more abuse than the Brooks offerings. I think the thickness of the hides has a lot to do with it. One of my Brooks got absolutely drenched on one ride and sagged/softened alarmingly. The leather on the 2 brooks I own feels 'softer' and more like shoe leather. The 2 SPA saddles I own could be mistaken for hard plastic, or compressed cardboard jobs!

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby Vantage » 16 Aug 2020, 10:10am

Spa's saddles are practically bomb proof so tough is the leather.
Couldn't break in any of my Nidds (I've had 3)and my last was a Wharf which I only kept for a brief time as my derriere was being pummeled to death on it.
Its new owner likes them though so like any other saddle, Spa's will have their lovers and haters.
With regards to the Nidds nose piece breaking, I've lost 2 Nidds to that fault. The problem was a design flaw. A very square cutout that resulted in a stressor (sp?) as in the photo.

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The manufacturer addressed the problem about 2 years ago (very roughly) and current Nidds have that cutout rounded off.
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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby 531colin » 16 Aug 2020, 12:31pm

SimonCelsa wrote:.......... Still rock hard and unyielding ......

Have you tried slackening or removing the lacing? This will normally let the saddle flex a bit under your weight.

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby SimonCelsa » 16 Aug 2020, 12:43pm

Have you tried slackening or removing the lacing? This will normally let the saddle flex a bit under your weight.


Good idea, perhaps I'll try that for the next 1000 miles and will report back accordingly, cheers

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby jimlews » 17 Aug 2020, 6:18pm

No experience with the Calder, but I have a Warfe and two Aire. The Aires, I quite like.. So far.

The Warfe is "'ard as nails" and about as comfortable.
My first impression was that it was quite comfortable. But on longer rides I found it a PITA because it's so damned unyielding. It is the only saddle that has actually bruised my aris.
Then it started to droop in the middle, but without any softening, so it was like riding the big dipper. I was always sliding forward to the lowest point of the dip where it then exerted pressure on the perineal area with consequent numb nut syndrome. Lacing it with a cable tie (lace not strong enough) reduced the splay of the sides and the dip so I can now remain seated on the broadest area just forward of the cantle. if this were a Brooks that area would have become resilient and accommodating to the ischial promontries, by now. With the Warfe, no chance!
So I now intend to take a Dremel grinding tool to the underside to remove the plastic layer in the region beneath the sit bones in an attempt to make that area more resilient. Than the water/hammer treatment, if necessary. We live in hope.

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby 531colin » 17 Aug 2020, 7:07pm

Remove some of the plastic layer....interesting approach ....let us know how you get on!

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby bgnukem » 17 Aug 2020, 7:09pm

I tried breaking in a Nidd (that someone else had given up on) but after commuting on it for over a year I gave up as well. No lacing and even put boot wax on it, to no avail. Stayed as hard as a rock.

Pity as they seem well made and I'd given up on Brooks because they were sagging and stretching prematurely!!

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby greyingbeard » 21 Aug 2020, 12:22pm

Are people saying that Brooks are buying lower quality leather than they used to ?
Double the price, cut the quality, like every other "fashion" product.

I wonder if the cheaper(?) leather in the Spa would benefit from soaking in neatsfoot oil from underneath to soften it ?

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Re: Spa cycles Caldar leather saddle

Postby mercalia » 21 Aug 2020, 4:50pm

greyingbeard wrote:Are people saying that Brooks are buying lower quality leather than they used to ?
Double the price, cut the quality, like every other "fashion" product.

I wonder if the cheaper(?) leather in the Spa would benefit from soaking in neatsfoot oil from underneath to soften it ?


isnt there a plastic layer underneath so that would work?