Tangled Metal wrote:If you blame the money you're really blaming a symptom of the lunacy of football tribalism.
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Tangled Metal wrote:If you blame the money you're really blaming a symptom of the lunacy of football tribalism.
Pete Owens wrote:A good piece on this from George Monbiot in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/19/pandemic-right-to-roam-england
pete75 wrote:
According to that chart farmers don't own any land - interesting. It's also wrong when it says land ownership has remained largely unchanged for generations among the landowners and gentry. Much of their land was sold to the tenants who farmed. According to Howard Newby in "Green and Pleasant Land?" only 10% of farmland was owner occupied before WW1 but by 1971 it was 61%.
pwa wrote:One also has to ask, who actually wants to own land that can't be built on? There are a few hectares of farmland and woodland for sale not far from me (nothing unusual about that) but most people will not be interested in buying that land. Most people are not interested in farming or renting out farmland, and most don't want to spend a wodge of money on a woodland. Buying land is not unaffordable but most people don't choose to spend their money on that. Most people don't have much use for it.
What sparked the desire to make Trespass a criminal matter? How did it move up the political agenda? Was it high profile incidents of travellers occupying land against the wishes of the owner? Was it illegal raves?
pwa wrote:What sparked the desire to make Trespass a criminal matter? How did it move up the political agenda? Was it high profile incidents of travellers occupying land against the wishes of the owner? Was it illegal raves?
pwa wrote:One also has to ask, who actually wants to own land that can't be built on? There are a few hectares of farmland and woodland for sale not far from me (nothing unusual about that) but most people will not be interested in buying that land. Most people are not interested in farming or renting out farmland, and most don't want to spend a wodge of money on a woodland. Buying land is not unaffordable but most people don't choose to spend their money on that. Most people don't have much use for it.
What sparked the desire to make Trespass a criminal matter? How did it move up the political agenda? Was it high profile incidents of travellers occupying land against the wishes of the owner? Was it illegal raves?
Zulu Eleven wrote:pete75 wrote:
According to that chart farmers don't own any land - interesting. It's also wrong when it says land ownership has remained largely unchanged for generations among the landowners and gentry. Much of their land was sold to the tenants who farmed. According to Howard Newby in "Green and Pleasant Land?" only 10% of farmland was owner occupied before WW1 but by 1971 it was 61%.
Indeed, we know that 72% of uk land is farmed (though this includes large areas of rough grazing) - There are around 192,000 farms in the UK, but Only 20% of these are over 250 acres
We also know that in the aftermath of WW1 many country estates were dissolved In order to pay various forms of death taxes, so the ‘land ownership has remained largely unchanged for decades’ seems hard to square away. I recall some research from about 20 years ago that reckoned that two thirds of UK land was owned by 189,000 families... but how big/wide is a family? It doesn’t take much for that to quickly add to that land being shared across a couple of million people (eg if each ‘family’ has mum, dad, 2 kids, uncle & auntie also with two kids, grandma, granddad).
Bmblbzzz wrote:Don't you think WW1 was at least two decades ago?
Farmland, clearly a lot is owned by farmers but a lot is rented; I don't know the actual ratio. And the "189,000 families" I agree it would be more usefully expressed in terms of households, but presumably - just guessing as I don't know where the figure comes from - "families" expresses a hereditary aspect.
Anywayzzz...