Does anyone recognise this old frame
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Congrats on a 1000 posts, frame looks large to me.
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I guess its steel and worth £15-17.Beautiful patina.
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There's some inscription on the inside of the left chainstay. This may help you. It also looks like several of the braze on's have been added later.
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It's not a particularly large frame, it has a pair of brakes that fit on to braze ons but NOT like Mafac/ Weinman Cantilevers, the braze ons are a slotted plate (similar to the Mudguard Mounts lower down the tubes)
It's in the hands of a framebuilder who had been around for a week or two and he is convince he has seen that bracing betwixt rear brake and seat tube before (and it's not Sun Manxman / Manx TT or a 'Jug Handle' (Joe Cook Imperial Petrel Super Rigid) )
It's in the hands of a framebuilder who had been around for a week or two and he is convince he has seen that bracing betwixt rear brake and seat tube before (and it's not Sun Manxman / Manx TT or a 'Jug Handle' (Joe Cook Imperial Petrel Super Rigid) )
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is that the remains of a 'Burlite' front brake?
Maybe it is one of these;
http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obscura/road.html
Frame (angle and headset-wise) looks very 1930s to me, other than that I have no idea. I can't help but think I have seen something like it before though. Both the brakes and the bracing may be later additions to the frame, rather than original equipment, so 1930s frameset, 1940s brakes or something...?
BTW the slots may be so that different wheel sizes can be accommodated; a slot allowing 1/2" of movement is sufficient to allow the brake to be used on 26 x 1-1/4" (597) and sprint (622 equivalent) rim sizes.
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Maybe it is one of these;
http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obscura/road.html
Frame (angle and headset-wise) looks very 1930s to me, other than that I have no idea. I can't help but think I have seen something like it before though. Both the brakes and the bracing may be later additions to the frame, rather than original equipment, so 1930s frameset, 1940s brakes or something...?
BTW the slots may be so that different wheel sizes can be accommodated; a slot allowing 1/2" of movement is sufficient to allow the brake to be used on 26 x 1-1/4" (597) and sprint (622 equivalent) rim sizes.
cheers
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We now believe this is a Frank Southall Frame.
Thanks for all your input, particularly impressed with a link to the Brakes List, which has told us the Brakes on the frame a Bowden.
Thanks for all your input, particularly impressed with a link to the Brakes List, which has told us the Brakes on the frame a Bowden.
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'Bowden' were big in brakes at the start of the twentieth century.
This 'Hercules Southall' looks very similar to yours (eg the rear light braze-on, on the seat stay) but the brakes are different. Whether that puts it at a different date I am not sure. No bracing on the stays though.
AFAICT Southall turned 'pro' in 1933 so presumably 'Southall' models come this date or after.
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I'm not sure about number 8.
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I'm not sure about number 8.
Re: Does anyone recognise this old frame
Looks a lot like http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewto ... 3&t=419298
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