Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

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francovendee wrote: 22 Jan 2022, 8:53pm For people who are already struggling any small increase is a potential disaster.
Is there such a thing as a cost of things essential to live inflation index?
Things like food, but not restaurant meals, heating, travel to and from work but not things like video games and all optional items
I get the feeling that the increased cost of basic weekly purchases are far higher than the cost of inflation figures just released.
There hasn't been and you're right the increased cost of basics far outstrips anything else, there's also a growing trend that many of the cheaper ranges are being discontinued.
I use the past tense as it looks like such an index is being produced, led by the poverty campaigner Jack Monroe:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... rice-index

I don't know how much this is on topic, whether supply chains or other factors are causing these increases. If you're struggling to make ends meet, I don't suppose the cause is the major concern.
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PH wrote: 24 Jan 2022, 10:14am
francovendee wrote: 22 Jan 2022, 8:53pm For people who are already struggling any small increase is a potential disaster.
Is there such a thing as a cost of things essential to live inflation index?
Things like food, but not restaurant meals, heating, travel to and from work but not things like video games and all optional items
I get the feeling that the increased cost of basic weekly purchases are far higher than the cost of inflation figures just released.
There hasn't been and you're right the increased cost of basics far outstrips anything else, there's also a growing trend that many of the cheaper ranges are being discontinued.
I use the past tense as it looks like such an index is being produced, led by the poverty campaigner Jack Monroe:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... rice-index

I don't know how much this is on topic, whether supply chains or other factors are causing these increases. If you're struggling to make ends meet, I don't suppose the cause is the major concern.
ONS blog on what they're changing:
https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2022/01/26/meas ... ouseholds/

And the Guardian links it to Monroe:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ack-monroe

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"NPA and NFU call for urgent supply chain summit as situation on pig farms deteriorates":
http://www.npa-uk.org.uk/NPA_and_NFU_ca ... rates.html

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If you ever thought Brexit was a good idea,give this video 7minutes of your time:- https://youtu.be/bEO0-BlMvpE
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"The president of the National Farmers’ Union has accused the government of using British food producers as a “pawn” in post-Brexit trade deals."
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... gotiations

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francovendee wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 4:23pm It all seems to have gone very quiet about delays at the ports.
Was it all scaremongering or just not being reported?
Chair of the Select Committee on Transport has just found out what it's like on the ground:
https://tinyurl.com/2ct65nra

Jonathan
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Jdsk wrote: 29 Jan 2022, 5:11pm
francovendee wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 4:23pm It all seems to have gone very quiet about delays at the ports.
Was it all scaremongering or just not being reported?
Chair of the Select Committee on Transport has just found out what it's like on the ground:
https://tinyurl.com/2ct65nra

Jonathan
He suddenly found out what it's like to be in the shhh... you know what.
Mind you he should be used to the smell being in the worst government in living memory......
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PH wrote: 24 Jan 2022, 10:14am
francovendee wrote: 22 Jan 2022, 8:53pm For people who are already struggling any small increase is a potential disaster.
Is there such a thing as a cost of things essential to live inflation index?
Things like food, but not restaurant meals, heating, travel to and from work but not things like video games and all optional items
I get the feeling that the increased cost of basic weekly purchases are far higher than the cost of inflation figures just released.
There hasn't been and you're right the increased cost of basics far outstrips anything else, there's also a growing trend that many of the cheaper ranges are being discontinued.
I use the past tense as it looks like such an index is being produced, led by the poverty campaigner Jack Monroe:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... rice-index
Featured on this week's More or Less:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0013r9w

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Jdsk wrote: 30 Jan 2022, 8:41pm
PH wrote: 24 Jan 2022, 10:14am
francovendee wrote: 22 Jan 2022, 8:53pm For people who are already struggling any small increase is a potential disaster.
Is there such a thing as a cost of things essential to live inflation index?
Things like food, but not restaurant meals, heating, travel to and from work but not things like video games and all optional items
I get the feeling that the increased cost of basic weekly purchases are far higher than the cost of inflation figures just released.
There hasn't been and you're right the increased cost of basics far outstrips anything else, there's also a growing trend that many of the cheaper ranges are being discontinued.
I use the past tense as it looks like such an index is being produced, led by the poverty campaigner Jack Monroe:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... rice-index
Featured on this week's More or Less:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0013r9w

Jonathan
Thanks for that.
Starts 7.45 min and worth a listen.
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https://twitter.com/Foodanddrinkfed/sta ... r9g6IpAAAA

But. to be fair, the government has had a lot of other things on its mind.

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"The hidden life of a lorry driver: long hours, fear of robberies – and living for the weekend":
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... he-weekend

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Jdsk wrote: 1 Feb 2022, 12:27pm "The hidden life of a lorry driver: long hours, fear of robberies – and living for the weekend":
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... he-weekend
It's an interesting article, I've known a few HGV drivers over the years, one of whom l remember saying as a driver he had an independent life, i.e. no boss right next to him. I don't know how true that is with mobile phones, vehicle tracking etc nowadays.

The two most recent blokes l know who left the business did so really because of pressure from their partners, 'you've got a child now you need a different job', which is a societal pressure that l don't think existed 30 or even 20 years ago.

One of my uncles was a long-distance HGV driver, my aunt was fine with it. I also wonder how long ago it was that drivers had to sleep 'across the seats', nearly 40 years ago my uncle was driving a sleeper cab, and it wasn't uncommon that if you didn't have a sleeper cab you stayed in digs.
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Jdsk wrote: 1 Feb 2022, 12:27pm "The hidden life of a lorry driver: long hours, fear of robberies – and living for the weekend":
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... he-weekend

Jonathan
Not a job with a lot of appeal,my SinL is an HGV driver(not long distance trunking),the pay is IMHO nowhere near what the job's worth and for trunking it was upto recently appalling the conditions still are.
HGV drivers in the UK have been treated badly and not given the respect they seserve for many a long year,I'm glad they're slowly getting the clout to demand decent pay for what is a very responsible,very skilled and which can be a very dangerous job of work.
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reohn2 wrote: 3 Feb 2022, 8:34am
Jdsk wrote: 1 Feb 2022, 12:27pm "The hidden life of a lorry driver: long hours, fear of robberies – and living for the weekend":
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... he-weekend
Not a job with a lot of appeal,my SinL is an HGV driver(not long distance trunking),the pay is IMHO nowhere near what the job's worth and for trunking it was upto recently appalling the conditions still are.
HGV drivers in the UK have been treated badly and not given the respect they seserve for many a long year,I'm glad they're slowly getting the clout to demand decent pay for what is a very responsible,very skilled and which can be a very dangerous job of work.
"‘It is soul-destroying’: lorry drivers face hours stuck in queues at Dover":
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-at-dover

Jonathan
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Jdsk wrote: 3 Feb 2022, 9:29am "‘It is soul-destroying’: lorry drivers face hours stuck in queues at Dover":
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-at-dover

Jonathan
And that's only one bad aspect of the job,there are a few more,numptie car drivers for one :?
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