Close passing in Scotland

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Steady rider
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Close passing in Scotland

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https://www.transportxtra.com/publicati ... rtid=71181
Some 96% of drivers in Scotland accept that a ‘close pass’ must be frightening for people cycling while 90% said there should be more protection for cyclists, new research shows.
Driver should be prepared to wait, if needed.
fastpedaller
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And Cycling Scotland Chief Executives answer to the issue is ........
A network of dedicated cycling lanes, separated from road traffic, is the number one priority to make our roads safer for cycling.
What sort of attitude does his response demonstrate?
Surely the answer is "Educate drivers and more police on the roads, which will probably be cheaper than a 'segregated system' which puts cyclists at even greater danger at road junctions"
Steady rider
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The middle ground may be the better approach. Where traffic levels exceed 10k per day, some form of cycle track/lane type option.
Traffic levels between 5k and 10K, lower speed limits, wide cycle lanes if space permits.
Priority at minor junctions for cyclists of the main road.
firedfromthecircus
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Third party reporting would be a big step forward. One which many forces in England have adopted with success while Police Scotland still seem to be dragging their heels.
Mind you, if my experiences of Police Scotland hold for a bigger sample they don't give two hoots about cyclist safety. Fully bought in to car culture!
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Low(ish) budget education campaign.

Don't know whether such things are effective.
Sign make it better.
Sign make it better.
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Today on an A road, traffic speed 50 to 60mph, traffic did not want to wait or slow down, passed close by. Initial publicity may be wearing off.
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fastpedaller wrote: 14 May 2022, 9:04am And Cycling Scotland Chief Executives answer to the issue is ........
A network of dedicated cycling lanes, separated from road traffic, is the number one priority to make our roads safer for cycling.
What sort of attitude does his response demonstrate?
Surely the answer is "Educate drivers and more police on the roads, which will probably be cheaper than a 'segregated system' which puts cyclists at even greater danger at road junctions"
The first point doesn't make sense, providing a segregated path for cyclists will not make the "roads safer for cycling" ,for those who wish to remain on the roads. I think he must have been misquoted there.
If the CE means separating with a white line of paint on the edge of the carriageway, I would not be happy. If he means total segregation I would say bring it on, I've never felt endangered by well engineered segregation .
Regarding 'Education', engineering out the dangers would be more beneficial in the longer term.
Police Scotland need to be prepared to accept reports of dangerous driving without without supporting video evidence.
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The problem with a policy of segregation is that it's effectively telling dangerous drivers to carry on driving dangerously and the next step is ban cyclists, explicitly or implicitly, from the road because it's too dangerous or at least say they use the road at their own risk and shouldn't expect bad drivers to be penalised. Apartheid rarely leads to equality, the less powerful group invariably end up with a smaller share of resources and restricted in what they can do.
Well Engineered segregation is good at the practical level and has a place but it's not a substitute for improving driving standards drivers.
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