Low Traffic Neighbourhoods?
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Not an LTN, but this report of a cancelled Platinum Jubilee street party seems to involve some of what I've been talking about. I'm not clear about the distinction between residents and locals, but community is in there too
Platinum Jubilee: Richmond locals left disappointed by cancelled street party
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61508574
Platinum Jubilee: Richmond locals left disappointed by cancelled street party
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61508574
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TfL consultation:jonny_five wrote: ↑6 Nov 2020, 1:43pm They've installed some around us in Catford/Lewisham. It's definitely improved the cycling which is pretty bad around the south circular otherwise. It has made some of the major roads even busier which no doubt gas made the motorists angry about the scheme, although I find it hard to sympathise with that.
"Lewisham to Catford walking and cycling changes":
https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/a21-lewi ... ur+website
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LTNs are getting so conventional that we are even going to get a couple in Warrington:
And the local motorists do seem to be getting annoyed about losing their rat-runs:
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... nts-anchor
Though I wouldn't mind betting that most of the signatories personally live on culs-de-sac.
And the local motorists do seem to be getting annoyed about losing their rat-runs:
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... nts-anchor
Though I wouldn't mind betting that most of the signatories personally live on culs-de-sac.
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Aye, it’s a fairly safe bet. It’s also a safe bet that the majority of signatories don’t live in the proposed LTN.Pete Owens wrote: ↑11 Jun 2022, 1:28am LTNs are getting so conventional that we are even going to get a couple in Warrington:
And the local motorists do seem to be getting annoyed about losing their rat-runs:
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... nts-anchor
Though I wouldn't mind betting that most of the signatories personally live on culs-de-sac.
I see one of the Oxford CLPs has passed an emergency motion against LTNs. It’s always really disappointing when a supposedly progressive party (and the Lib Dems and Greens are unfortunately also capable of this) votes against measures to reduce car dependency, in an energy crisis and when 1:4 UK households don’t have access to a car.
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Inconsistently so as well. The county level ward (labour) cllrs for that area are quite vocal in their support of the East Oxford filtering, it's the Oxford district level labour party that are now opposing.
The highways authority is at the county level though so I'm not really sure this clp motion is going to change much.
The highways authority is at the county level though so I'm not really sure this clp motion is going to change much.
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I wonder if the objections/support might be complicated by pro/anti royals aspects? Those wanting the party might see celebrating the Royal Family as more that enough justification for significant disruption whereas those objecting might be using some disruption as an excuse to have the celebrations cancelled. Not saying that is the reason but it might be a contributory aspect.thirdcrank wrote: ↑20 May 2022, 9:37am Not an LTN, but this report of a cancelled Platinum Jubilee street party seems to involve some of what I've been talking about. I'm not clear about the distinction between residents and locals, but community is in there too
Platinum Jubilee: Richmond locals left disappointed by cancelled street party
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61508574
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The towns motorists are getting more annoyed than usual:
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... -bus-gate/
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Is it more than the usual ‘didn’t notice the consultation and now claiming not to have been consulted’ nonsense?Pete Owens wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 3:04pmThe towns motorists are getting more annoyed than usual:
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... -bus-gate/
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In my borough (Islington) the result of the recent local elections has hopefully put a damper on the anti-LTN brigade. The tory opposition made a very big deal of abolishing them but lost by as large a margin as usual. The controlling labour council can now claim a mandate for their continence and expansion.
It has been determined that the local protests against LTN's were orchestrated by cab drivers, many of whom don't even live in London, let alone Islington
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It has been determined that the local protests against LTN's were orchestrated by cab drivers, many of whom don't even live in London, let alone Islington
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I think so - I expect that sort of online whinging for ANY measure that doesn't obviously benefit motorists (say a pedestrian crossing). Bothering to turn up in numbers to protest outside the town hall is unusual. I just hope the council keeps its nerve.ratherbeintobago wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 3:14pmIs it more than the usual ‘didn’t notice the consultation and now claiming not to have been consulted’ nonsense?Pete Owens wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 3:04pmThe towns motorists are getting more annoyed than usual:
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... -bus-gate/
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That's exactly what they did in Islington, also blocking the main road for hours. As I say, orchestrated by outsiders. May be the case here also?Pete Owens wrote: Bothering to turn up in numbers to protest outside the town hall is unusual.
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I don’t live in a proposed LTN, but frankly I find it completely incredible that people who do would be against a reduction in rat-running.toontra wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 6:25pmThat's exactly what they did in Islington, also blocking the main road for hours. As I say, orchestrated by outsiders. May be the case here also?Pete Owens wrote: Bothering to turn up in numbers to protest outside the town hall is unusual.
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Intuitively it should be better for people on boundary roads too, as variously there is traffic evaporation due to loss of short car movements and less interruption of boundary road flow by cars turning in and out of side roads. However I don’t know if the hard evidence is there to support that.
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Even with no modal shift it is better for those using the boundary roads.
The reason rat-runners do it is to bypass the congestion on those roads - so what they are doing is queue jumping.
If you are a user of the boundary road this means that a rat runner that was queueing behind you uses inappropriate residential streets to get in front of you so now you have to wait for them at the next lights.
The reason rat-runners do it is to bypass the congestion on those roads - so what they are doing is queue jumping.
If you are a user of the boundary road this means that a rat runner that was queueing behind you uses inappropriate residential streets to get in front of you so now you have to wait for them at the next lights.
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I suspect that's exactly why cabbies are so opposed to them.Pete Owens wrote:Even with no modal shift it is better for those using the boundary roads.
The reason rat-runners do it is to bypass the congestion on those roads - so what they are doing is queue jumping.
If you are a user of the boundary road this means that a rat runner that was queueing behind you uses inappropriate residential streets to get in front of you so now you have to wait for them at the next lights.
I'm a trendy consumer. Just look at my 21051182G using hovercraft full of eels.