Good. Probably the best think to do with Mancs.Pete Owens wrote: ↑14 May 2022, 3:29pm Looks like Andy Burnham has come out in favour of continuing to poison the inhabitants of the city:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-61439444
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Did Rees get funding from national government? And have the Bristol Pest stopped stirring up hate against cycling?
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Don't know to your first question; I'd have a guess that he missed the deadline for funding by a few years! And to your second question, the Post, like all Reach media, alternately hates and loves cycling (and associated measures). The main point is that Rees's reluctance to introduce a Clean Air Zone* stems mostly from his fear of alienating his voter base, which in his case is (or he perceives) in the southern suburbs, and he wouldn't have done so had he not been required to do it by central government.
*The very name is ridiculous – clean air should be the default. Whoever thought it up, presumably a civil servant, should be ashamed of themselves.
*The very name is ridiculous – clean air should be the default. Whoever thought it up, presumably a civil servant, should be ashamed of themselves.
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It was the Tory Government that told Burnham he had to implement a CAZ...ratherbeintobago wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 6:25pm Probably hasn’t done any good that local Tories in GM have been willing to stir up trouble for a mayor from an opposing party?
Manchester got stuck a while ago when it had that ridiculous referendum about introducing congestion charging / CAZ with the funds going to expansion of the tram network. The referendum was a resounding NO which demonstrates why asking the public important things via referendum is a catastrophically stupid idea.
As a result, it's now stuck in a situation where any attempts to introduce any such scheme is met by "but the referendum..." It doesn't help that the council get a lot of revenue from their car parks and don't want to see that revenue stream drying up so actually they're not bothered about restricting cars.
A CAZ that exempts private vehicles is also utterly stupid. Why charge the tradesman but not the private driver?! It's the wrong way round. But again... "the referendum..."
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Was it now?rareposter wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 12:52pmIt was the Tory Government that told Burnham he had to implement a CAZ...ratherbeintobago wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 6:25pm Probably hasn’t done any good that local Tories in GM have been willing to stir up trouble for a mayor from an opposing party?
FTFYIt doesn't help that the council get a lot of revenue from their car parks mobility hubs and don't want to see that revenue stream drying up so actually they're not bothered about restricting cars.
We can agree on that at least, though as above there was a scrappage scheme for older cars but not for commercial vehicles.A CAZ that exempts private vehicles is also utterly stupid. Why charge the tradesman but not the private driver?! It's the wrong way round.
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Let's not forget that Andy Burnham is a hangover from Tony Blair's government.
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And favourite as next permanent Leader of the Labour Party. Currently 5/1:
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb ... armer.html
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http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb ... armer.html
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At least several problems with that, not least of which are that there isn't a leadership contest and he's not an MP.Jdsk wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 1:37pm And favourite as next permanent Leader of the Labour Party. Currently 5/1:
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb ... armer.html
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Bad news for Sadiq Khan, a long shot in 9th place at 25/1. In the equivalent odds for the Tories David frost is in 8th place at 14/1
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You have to be careful with these. One of them had Wera Hobhouse listed as a potential Tory leader.
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And the bookmaker and the punters know both of those, which makes it even more interesting.ratherbeintobago wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 1:53pmAt least several problems with that, not least of which are that there isn't a leadership contest and he's not an MP.Jdsk wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 1:37pm And favourite as next permanent Leader of the Labour Party. Currently 5/1:
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb ... armer.html
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I've read through this post and it's all about cars
The Manchester clean air zone doesn't include private cars,motorcycles or mopeds, they are exempt! Only commercial vehicles are affected so it is effectively discouraging commerce and industry throughout Greater Manchester. It's a great way to destroy the economy of the region.
What left wing tree hugger thought this one up in the first place? It's akin to licencing roadside flower sellers. You raise a couple of quid from said licences and then bankrupt all the florists and lose a thousand times more in business rates
The Manchester clean air zone doesn't include private cars,motorcycles or mopeds, they are exempt! Only commercial vehicles are affected so it is effectively discouraging commerce and industry throughout Greater Manchester. It's a great way to destroy the economy of the region.
What left wing tree hugger thought this one up in the first place? It's akin to licencing roadside flower sellers. You raise a couple of quid from said licences and then bankrupt all the florists and lose a thousand times more in business rates
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It does seem spectacularly ill-judged, yes. I think they should've made it all vehicles going into the city centre, but as above MCC makes too much money from mobility hubs.saudidave wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 2:27pm I've read through this post and it's all about cars
The Manchester clean air zone doesn't affect private cars,motorcycles or mopeds, they are exempt! Only commercial vehicles are affected so it is effectively discouraging commerce and industry tthroughout Grater Manchester. It's a grat way to destroy the economy of the region.
What left wing tree hugger thought that one up in the first place? It's akin to licencing roadside flower sellers. You raise a couple of quid from said licences and then bankrupt all the florists and lose a thousand time more in business rates
Against that, the air quality in GM is awful and we need to do something.
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Those two problems are actually the solutions to each other.ratherbeintobago wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 1:53pmAt least several problems with that, not least of which are that there isn't a leadership contest and he's not an MP.Jdsk wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 1:37pm And favourite as next permanent Leader of the Labour Party. Currently 5/1:
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb ... armer.html
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IF there was likely to be an iminent leadership contest then not being an MP would be a problem
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The original scheme was intended to include private cars. The decision to exclude them was an earlier act of backsliding from Andy Burnam.saudidave wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 2:27pm I've read through this post and it's all about cars
The Manchester clean air zone doesn't include private cars,motorcycles or mopeds, they are exempt! Only commercial vehicles are affected so it is effectively discouraging commerce and industry throughout Greater Manchester. It's a great way to destroy the economy of the region.
What left wing tree hugger thought this one up in the first place? It's akin to licencing roadside flower sellers. You raise a couple of quid from said licences and then bankrupt all the florists and lose a thousand times more in business rates