Food poverty-the way out

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reohn2
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al_yrpal wrote: 25 May 2022, 2:21pm
reohn2 wrote: 25 May 2022, 2:07pm
al_yrpal wrote: 25 May 2022, 1:51pm No answers.....status quo then?

Al
No answers?
There are anwers,you're just blind to them!
??? Not blind to anything.

No one has suggested any solution that will actually ever be adopted, or anything new. Years of socialism tolerated all these things, and they did nothing. I wouldnt expect the Tories to do very much but as I remember they actually did do something on tax evasion. Cant recall exactly what?

Al
Solutions have been put forward up thread,I agree there's little chance of them being implemented but that doesn't mean they've not been suggested.
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al_yrpal wrote: 25 May 2022, 2:21pm
reohn2 wrote: 25 May 2022, 2:07pm
al_yrpal wrote: 25 May 2022, 1:51pm No answers.....status quo then?

Al
No answers?
There are anwers,you're just blind to them!
??? Not blind to anything.

No one has suggested any solution that will actually ever be adopted, or anything new. Years of socialism tolerated all these things, and they did nothing. I wouldnt expect the Tories to do very much but as I remember they actually did do something on tax evasion. Cant recall exactly what?

Al
There is a solution, a willingness on the part of governments to stop it. The UK government could shut down the three worse tax havens very quickly if they wanted to.
I don't ever recall years of socialism in this country. Maybe the Atlee government was but it was before my time. In any case they were busy creating the NHS, welfare state, rebuilding the country's housing stock and making the UK economy recover from the effects of the war.
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pete75 wrote: 25 May 2022, 7:57pm .......I don't ever recall years of socialism in this country......
Nor me!
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reohn2 wrote: 25 May 2022, 8:11pm
pete75 wrote: 25 May 2022, 7:57pm .......I don't ever recall years of socialism in this country......
Nor me!
Shurely shome mishtake if you have forgot that secret government of commies under all our beds! They came out in the night to suborn good Tory MPs, making them forget their plans to bring back those excellent workhouses and jobs for small boys cleaning chimneys with their bodies.

Happily, Mrs Thatcher sent out Keef Joseph and that Tebbit to root out all the commies, so that they could no longer hold back true Tories, with their plans to do away with all those dirty poor folk and their whinging about having no food, heat or house. It's their own fault as they didn't buy any shares in Ripoffs R Us or Asset Strippers Inc!

Cugel, wishful thinking for another Attlee.
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Cugel wrote: 25 May 2022, 10:17pm
reohn2 wrote: 25 May 2022, 8:11pm
pete75 wrote: 25 May 2022, 7:57pm .......I don't ever recall years of socialism in this country......
Nor me!
Shurely shome mishtake if you have forgot that secret government of commies under all our beds! They came out in the night to suborn good Tory MPs, making them forget their plans to bring back those excellent workhouses and jobs for small boys cleaning chimneys with their bodies.

Happily, Mrs Thatcher sent out Keef Joseph and that Tebbit to root out all the commies, so that they could no longer hold back true Tories, with their plans to do away with all those dirty poor folk and their whinging about having no food, heat or house. It's their own fault as they didn't buy any shares in Ripoffs R Us or Asset Strippers Inc!

Cugel, wishful thinking for another Attlee.
My bold

I'll check when going to bed tonight,see if there's any friends of mine under there :wink:
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reohn2 wrote: 25 May 2022, 10:36pm
Cugel wrote: 25 May 2022, 10:17pm
reohn2 wrote: 25 May 2022, 8:11pm

Nor me!
Shurely shome mishtake if you have forgot that secret government of commies under all our beds! They came out in the night to suborn good Tory MPs, making them forget their plans to bring back those excellent workhouses and jobs for small boys cleaning chimneys with their bodies.

Happily, Mrs Thatcher sent out Keef Joseph and that Tebbit to root out all the commies, so that they could no longer hold back true Tories, with their plans to do away with all those dirty poor folk and their whinging about having no food, heat or house. It's their own fault as they didn't buy any shares in Ripoffs R Us or Asset Strippers Inc!

Cugel, wishful thinking for another Attlee.
My bold

I'll check when going to bed tonight,see if there's any friends of mine under there :wink:
When I look under my bed, there's nothing there but a pharting collie. Even Karl Marx couldn't stay there for very long! On the other hand, he did emit an awful lot of useless gas hisself. :-)

However, I believe a number of folk have had a-one o' them pods* under their bed. Once they were fully nice folk but the pod has consumed them in the night and took their place. Now the streets are full of screaming podfolk, pointing their fingers at the few nice proper folk remaining.

* Aka a discarded Daily Hate Mail or Torygraph.

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Jdsk wrote: 19 May 2022, 1:21pm Practical solutions:
Higher personal taxation, fiscal redistribution and higher state benefits delivered more quickly
Increased minimum wage
Lower trade barriers and lower barriers to employment of foreign workers, reducing the cost of food and wastage of crops and livestock, and increasing GDP
Lower trade barriers increasing GDP
Massive increase in eligibility for free school meals
Consistent long-term food polices including taxation on harmful foods in line with the evidence from other countries
Regional policies that support local employment and reduce the need for benefits

All achievable if that's what we want. Or we can increase social disparities and increase food and fuel poverty if that's what we want.
A small step in the right direction with today's changes to benefits.

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One thing I'm a bit uneasy about these days is where the substantial profits the energy companies continue to report end up. As far as I can tell, a significant proportion go overseas and indeed, some may actually end up subsidising other country's own energy costs. How ironic as that ??
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As pensioners... £500 winter fuel payment and £400 plus the £150 we have already had. Very helpful but the Aga goes off next week and cooking will take place on the new tabletop induction hobs and the mini oven. Water heating via the immersion. All seems pretty well targeted and paid for by current bumper tax receipts and the windfall tax. Great to see the poorest and disabled getting some help too, they need it most.
Off to plant out my sweetcorn and beans...

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Jdsk wrote: 26 May 2022, 1:09pm
Jdsk wrote: 19 May 2022, 1:21pm Practical solutions:
Higher personal taxation, fiscal redistribution and higher state benefits delivered more quickly
Increased minimum wage
Lower trade barriers and lower barriers to employment of foreign workers, reducing the cost of food and wastage of crops and livestock, and increasing GDP
Lower trade barriers increasing GDP
Massive increase in eligibility for free school meals
Consistent long-term food polices including taxation on harmful foods in line with the evidence from other countries
Regional policies that support local employment and reduce the need for benefits

All achievable if that's what we want. Or we can increase social disparities and increase food and fuel poverty if that's what we want.
A small step in the right direction with today's changes to benefits.

Jonathan
Too little too late IMO.
Think about the amount profits the energy companies have already made these past 6months!
It's utter scandal what's going on.
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Jdsk wrote: 26 May 2022, 1:09pm
Jdsk wrote: 19 May 2022, 1:21pm Practical solutions:
Higher personal taxation, fiscal redistribution and higher state benefits delivered more quickly
Increased minimum wage
Lower trade barriers and lower barriers to employment of foreign workers, reducing the cost of food and wastage of crops and livestock, and increasing GDP
Lower trade barriers increasing GDP
Massive increase in eligibility for free school meals
Consistent long-term food polices including taxation on harmful foods in line with the evidence from other countries
Regional policies that support local employment and reduce the need for benefits

All achievable if that's what we want. Or we can increase social disparities and increase food and fuel poverty if that's what we want.
A small step in the right direction with today's changes to benefits.
"IFS response to government cost of living support package":
https://ifs.org.uk/publications/16066

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Arguably, the serious raincloud of Partygate may have prompted this silver lining... funny how things go. I will find my irony detector much exercised if after all, the Durham police issue an fpn to Starmer and he resigns. You couldn't make all this [rude word deleted] up!! EDIT: well, I suppose you can - isn't it called The Thick Of It?
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simonineaston wrote: 26 May 2022, 1:27pm One thing I'm a bit uneasy about these days is where the substantial profits the energy companies continue to report end up. As far as I can tell, a significant proportion go overseas and indeed, some may actually end up subsidising other country's own energy costs. How ironic as that ??
reohn2 wrote: 26 May 2022, 3:07pm Think about the amount profits the energy companies have already made these past 6months!
From the same IfS commentary:

Energy profits levy

The new energy profits levy of 25% – much higher than the 10% Labour had proposed – takes the overall tax rate on North Sea oil and gas profits from 40% to 65% from now until December 2025 (or sooner ‘if oil and gas prices return to historically more normal levels’). That is a much higher rate than is paid by onshore companies, but broadly typical of the historical rates of North Sea taxation since the 1970s.
Far from this tax rise discouraging investment in the North Sea, a new ‘super-deduction’ means that North Sea investment will be massively subsidised while the higher tax rate is in place.

Stuart Adam, a Senior Economist at the IFS, said:

“The new super-deduction means that investing £100 in the North Sea will cost companies only £8.75, with the remaining cost paid by the government. So a massively loss-making investment could still be profitable after tax. It is hard to see why the government should provide such huge tax subsidies and thereby incentivise even economically unviable projects.”

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simonineaston wrote: 26 May 2022, 4:12pm Arguably, the serious raincloud of Partygate may have prompted this silver lining... funny how things go.
I'd guess that the timing was related.

But there's a half-ironic joke doing the rounds about how much economic policy could be improved if only there were a few more unlawful gatherings...

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al_yrpal wrote: 26 May 2022, 2:34pm As pensioners... £500 winter fuel payment and £400 plus the £150 we have already had. Very helpful but the Aga goes off next week and cooking will take place on the new tabletop induction hobs and the mini oven. Water heating via the immersion. All seems pretty well targeted and paid for by current bumper tax receipts and the windfall tax. Great to see the poorest and disabled getting some help too, they need it most.
Off to plant out my sweetcorn and beans...
Pensioners ...................

We as a couple, have never been so well off as we are now.
49years married this year, and met 50years ago January just gone.

Two OAPs, one Service Pension, one Cornwall County Council Pension, home paid for so no rent or mortgage, no bank loans, no debts.
Just short of thirty grand a year coming in.

We do much for charity. Until recently, we ran the local Poppy Appeal. We help out with the food bank, and raise money for the needy. Mrs Mick F has been out doing charity work in The Gambia since the end of February, home in the next few days.
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