“New” cyclist

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Re: “New” cyclist

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Nearholmer wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 9:07am .....
Stuff to add to a basic bike:

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Wear very bright colours on the road. Wear a helmet (it is one of the ten things that you personally can do to improve safety, and although it will hopefully never need to be decisive it is cheap and imposes no dis-benefit).
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Aieeee! You've opened up that can of rotted worms that I feel many of us were hoping would remain at the back of the bike shed with the Chater-Lea chainset! I cannae resist chewin' on them worms, though ....

You know, do you not, that those particular recommendations you make about "safety" are the very opposite of what many other highly experienced cyclists would recommend; and that the reasons for your recommending the polystyrene con-job are contested, since they don't improve personal safety (might even detract from it); are not "cheap" and indeed do impose dis-benefits, from sweaty head, through strapping wind-noise and (most damning of all) the possibility of a false sense of invulnerability in the plastic-headed cyclist that can encourage more risk taking or being put at risk by motoring loons who make the same wrong assumption about the magical protection abilities of polystyrene.

Spoilt the thread, you have! (And I'm now spoiling it more, I know).

To the OP - I recommend a trawl of the interwebbery concerning cycling helmets and their contribution or lack of it to cycling safety. Ditto the hi-viz. You'll find many opinions, data sets from studies and explorations of the subject from all points of view. Suffice it to say that the matter is contentious and by no means as clear as Mr Holmer suggests.

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Re: “New” cyclist

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Let's of advice in this thread.
If you don't have already then get the following for your travels. They'll save a long walk home or wait for a lift one day
A decent pump (Topeak morphs have been my go-to for a long time).
Tiptop puncture kit (seriously the best tube repair kits going)
Decent tyre levers, or a tyre glider.
An inner tube or two
A multitool or a bunch of allen keys to fit your bike.
Chuck in a small bag under the saddle or in a pouch in a bottle cage.

Indeed others have recommended strava already. It's great because of the way it chops your rides into segments so even when you think you've had a slow ride there's usually at least a couple of bits where you went well.

Komoot is also great for navigation and finding routes. It's especially good for finding quieter roads and paths which if new to cycling you may not be aware off.

I use a leyzyne GPS computer which syncs to both strava an komoot. Not expensive and useful.

The only "safety" kit I would recommend as essential are a set of mitts or gloves. If you fall, and you will as we all do, then you'll put hands out first and cut palms esp with gravel in really are no fun. Personally I think helmets and hivis do more harm than good, but they're personal choice.

Just get out there, ride and enjoy it..
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Re: “New” cyclist

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Spoilt the thread, you have! (And I'm now spoiling it more, I know).
We usually seem to have a similar outlook on things, but on this one we clearly differ, so best leave it to threads specific to that contentious subject.
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It wasn't Nearholmer who opened the can of worms.

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Shakay:
You might not have spotted this, but because of how previous discussions have developed the forum has a policy of keeping discussions of things to do with cycle helmets to its own area.

Everyone:
Please can we all now do that, in either a new or existing thread, as suggested above:
viewforum.php?f=41

Thanks

Jonathan
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Re: “New” cyclist

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Shakay wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 11:27pmTurning right and roundabouts are my only major worry at busy times! Bit of research and practice will sure help!

Appreciate the reminder of the basics and necessities!
Some great advice upthread on all sorts of things.

In addition to considering formal instruction I'd suggest asking another cyclist to follow you through those difficult bits and then discussing your decisions and lines immediately afterwards.

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Jdsk wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 10:18am It wasn't Nearholmer who opened the can of worms.

Jonathan
Was. :-)
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Jdsk wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 10:23am
Shakay wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 11:27pmTurning right and roundabouts are my only major worry at busy times! Bit of research and practice will sure help!

Appreciate the reminder of the basics and necessities!
Some great advice upthread on all sorts of things.

In addition to considering formal instruction I'd suggest asking another cyclist to follow you through those difficult bits and then discussing your decisions and lines immediately afterwards.

Jonathan
Now that's the best suggestion of all. "Riding with Nellie". I learnt an enormous amount by going out with, first, local CTC rides and later (when the CTC became too slow for my thrusting ambitions) the local road racing club.

Of course, one must weed out the Nellies who have and demonstrate their bad habits. How to know in advance which habits are bad is difficult but ongoing experience tends to identify them.

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Was.
I really mustn’t rise to it.

I really mustn’t rise to it.

I really mustn’t …….. etc etc.
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Nearholmer wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 12:26pm
Was.
I really mustn’t rise to it.

I really mustn’t rise to it.

I really mustn’t …….. etc etc.
No throwing H-chum into the water neither! :-)

Cugel, swimming back under my own rock.
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Re: “New” cyclist

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I’ve made a list! As you can guess my local shop is evans!

I think this is all good enough for starting out! Not the most expensive but I have left myself a fair bit of room for upgrades if necessary!

Bike -
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/trek/ ... e=93328711

£45 Helmet https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/speci ... e=93457213

£15 Bottle cage
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/bontr ... e=91698340


£10 Multi tool
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/bontr ... e=91366301


£25 Lights
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/bontr ... e=93920203

£25 Lock
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/krypt ... e=93459503


Puncture repair
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/fwe/t ... e=91129701



Spare innertubes - Recommend brand?
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Shakay wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 10:29pm I’ve made a list! As you can guess my local shop is evans!

I think this is all good enough for starting out! Not the most expensive but I have left myself a fair bit of room for upgrades if necessary!

Bike -
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/trek/ ... e=93328711

£45 Helmet https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/speci ... e=93457213

£15 Bottle cage
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/bontr ... e=91698340


£10 Multi tool
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/bontr ... e=91366301


£25 Lights
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/bontr ... e=93920203

£25 Lock
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/krypt ... e=93459503


Puncture repair
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/fwe/t ... e=91129701



Spare innertubes - Recommend brand?
FWE is Evans "own brand" and the purpose of "own brand" is to maximise profits for the retailer. Personally I avoid FWE (and Evans) like the plague. They were OK when they were "independent" but have now been purchased by Mike Ashley and Sports Direct and they seem to have adopted the Sports Direct ethic for cutting costs and profits at any cost (to customer).

When I do look on Evans website they seem to have a very very limited range and not particularly good pricing. For accessories you'll do a lot better online (group orders together to get above free delivery thresholds which are surprisingly low for some retailers e.g. Wiggle).

I wouldn't trust their advice of bike sizing either - too much pressure on sales staff to "make the sale whatever".

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Psamathe wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 10:42pm
Shakay wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 10:29pm I’ve made a list! As you can guess my local shop is evans!

I think this is all good enough for starting out! Not the most expensive but I have left myself a fair bit of room for upgrades if necessary!

Bike -
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/trek/ ... e=93328711

£45 Helmet https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/speci ... e=93457213

£15 Bottle cage
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/bontr ... e=91698340


£10 Multi tool
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/bontr ... e=91366301


£25 Lights
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/bontr ... e=93920203

£25 Lock
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/krypt ... e=93459503


Puncture repair
https://www.evanscycles.com/brand/fwe/t ... e=91129701



Spare innertubes - Recommend brand?
FWE is Evans "own brand" and the purpose of "own brand" is to maximise profits for the retailer. Personally I avoid FWE (and Evans) like the plague. They were OK when they were "independent" but have now been purchased by Mike Ashley and Sports Direct and they seem to have adopted the Sports Direct ethic for cutting costs and profits at any cost (to customer).

When I do look on Evans website they seem to have a very very limited range and not particularly good pricing. For accessories you'll do a lot better online (group orders together to get above free delivery thresholds which are surprisingly low for some retailers e.g. Wiggle).

I wouldn't trust their advice of bike sizing either - too much pressure on sales staff to "make the sale whatever".

Ian
£15 on a bottle cage is going it some. Here’s a fave of mine with lots of colour choices: https://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/accessor ... cage-p6458

The repair kit looks OK, but beware that some times the levers that come with kits like this can flex (I.e. aren’t strong enough to remove the tyre). What have you decided regarding a pump? Make sure you get one that works with your Schraeder valves - most types work both.

On inner tubes, you pay more for branded like Continental, Specialized or Michelin, less for Nutrack, Vavert or Impac. I don’t think it makes any difference.

With locks, it’s a risk assessment and a judgement - if you search on cafe locks, you’ll find something more portable and light.
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Re: “New” cyclist

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FWE is Evans "own brand" and the purpose of "own brand" is to maximise profits for the retailer. Personally I avoid FWE (and Evans) like the plague. They were OK when they were "independent" but have now been purchased by Mike Ashley and Sports Direct and they seem to have adopted the Sports Direct ethic for cutting costs and profits at any cost (to customer).

When I do look on Evans website they seem to have a very very limited range and not particularly good pricing. For accessories you'll do a lot better online (group orders together to get above free delivery thresholds which are surprisingly low for some retailers e.g. Wiggle).

I wouldn't trust their advice of bike sizing either - too much pressure on sales staff to "make the sale whatever".

Ian
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Funnily enough I over heard a staff member saying something similar, losing regular customers etc since buyout. Maybe I’ll look elsewhere for accessories! Unfortunately the only place I can find on the Cyclescheme that has the FX2
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Re: “New” cyclist

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I’m seeing pedals: not included on the Evans website. Hopefully you’ve got that covered.
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