Breaking International Law

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Jdsk
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thirdcrank wrote: 8 Jun 2022, 9:13am I see the Attorney General's duties include
  • Government’s principal legal adviser dealing with (amongst others) questions of international law, human rights, devolution and COVID-19 issues
https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers ... ey-general
Yes, as discussed four posts upthread.

I don't think that her view that the proposed action is not unlawful will prevail in law.

But at the political level even doubt could be enough for disaffected Conservative MPs.

Jonathan
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Jdsk wrote: 8 Jun 2022, 9:19am
thirdcrank wrote: 8 Jun 2022, 9:13am I see the Attorney General's duties include
  • Government’s principal legal adviser dealing with (amongst others) questions of international law, human rights, devolution and COVID-19 issues
https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers ... ey-general
Yes, as discussed four posts upthread.

I don't think that her view that the proposed action is not unlawful will prevail in law.

But at the political level even doubt could be enough for disaffected Conservative MPs.
Some informed opinion on where contrary advice may be originating:
https://twitter.com/carlgardner/status/ ... 7487360000

Jonathan
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Prime ministers select their law officers from their own party's lawyers, which means the advice may have a party political slant, and beyond that, I doubt Boris Johnson selects people with a different view to his own - in any field
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As was noted when she was appointed, even setting aside her limited legal expertise (relatively short period of largely commercial law), Suella Braverman will nod through everything Johnson asks her to, that's why she got that job.

The performative nonsense on the northern Ireland protocol is just the same old cycle over and over again. Uk gov makes empty threats, eu rolls eyes, US Congress and/or executive issues strongly worded warning, uk gov quietly drops threats and buries any news of that under some other culture war melodrama.
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"The UK government will publish a "summary of the legal advice" it received on its Northern Ireland proposals on Monday, alongside its bill to switch off parts of the NI protocol, Boris Johnson's official spokesman said.":
https://twitter.com/gallardo_ortega/sta ... 4261376000

David Allen Green on the tangled web so far:

"The odd and worrying situation of the legal advice on the Northern Ireland Protocol":
https://davidallengreen.com/2022/06/the ... -protocol/

"Taking the Devil’s name in vain: how the government may be deliberately misleading members of parliament about the legality of its Northern Irish Protocol proposals – a follow-on from yesterday’s post":
https://davidallengreen.com/2022/06/tak ... erdays-po/

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Excellent explainer from the Institute for Government:

"Four questions for parliament on the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill":
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... tocol-bill

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Johnson at the G7 telling all the other leaders about the importance in International Law and how Russia is breaking it whilst his own Government is pushing through legislation breaking International Law. Does anybody think other leaders have not notices or that it wont badly affect the UK's credibility?

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Psamathe wrote: 27 Jun 2022, 8:56pm Johnson at the G7 telling all the other leaders about the importance in International Law and how Russia is breaking it whilst his own Government is pushing through legislation breaking International Law. Does anybody think other leaders have not notices or that it wont badly affect the UK's credibility?

Ian
Johnson,the thinking man's pillock! :?
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reohn2 wrote: 27 Jun 2022, 9:28pm
Psamathe wrote: 27 Jun 2022, 8:56pm Johnson at the G7 telling all the other leaders about the importance in International Law and how Russia is breaking it whilst his own Government is pushing through legislation breaking International Law. Does anybody think other leaders have not notices or that it wont badly affect the UK's credibility?

Ian
Johnson,the thinking man's pillock! :?
A good line in the Guardiam commentary about Breaking International Law "Johnson has reduced us to a laughing stock without the laughs." (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-deal)

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Psamathe wrote: 27 Jun 2022, 9:39pm
reohn2 wrote: 27 Jun 2022, 9:28pm
Psamathe wrote: 27 Jun 2022, 8:56pm Johnson at the G7 telling all the other leaders about the importance in International Law and how Russia is breaking it whilst his own Government is pushing through legislation breaking International Law. Does anybody think other leaders have not notices or that it wont badly affect the UK's credibility?

Ian
Johnson,the thinking man's pillock! :?
A good line in the Guardiam commentary about Breaking International Law "Johnson has reduced us to a laughing stock without the laughs." (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-deal)

Ian
Yep,sadly that's the state of his leadership :roll: :|
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Jdsk
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https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/post-brexit ... perature5/

How utterly depressing. But I expect that some disruptive legislation at Westminster can make it worse.

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Should we be surprised?
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Jdsk
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The figures are not bad for "NI Business reps", the SDLP, Alliance, the EU Commission - EU and the Irish Government...

... anything to build on there?

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Re: Breaking International Law

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Jdsk wrote: 29 Jun 2022, 5:46pm The figures are not bad for "NI Business reps", the SDLP, Alliance, the EU Commission - EU and the Irish Government...

... anything to build on there?

Jonathan
I wouldn't think so,the DUP and the UK government are a disaster for NI and SF not much better,as I posted "should we be surprised?"
The answer is a suely a resounding,no!
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House of Lords committee report on the Northern Ireland Protocol:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/l ... /57/57.pdf

From the Summary:

"Without prejudice to the views of individual members on the Bill, or the EU’s response, we stress that a mutually agreed solution is the best outcome. Yet this requires flexibility and compromise on both sides."

"In our July 2021 introductory report, we stressed the need for dialogue to resolve the issues arising under the Protocol in the interests of the people of Northern Ireland. It is a matter of deep regret that, in the intervening twelve months, the situation, if anything, has deteriorated still further."

"In the words of one of our witnesses, those who negotiated the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement “were able to do so because of their ability to appreciate the perspectives of others and willingness to work together and take risks to achieve a common goal despite historic differences. Such a courageous approach is needed now.”"


That's clear enough.

Jonathan
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