Did anybody attend the CTC/CUK AGM?

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Which is why proxy voting is allowed and encouraged. Do you think Cycling UK should not meet its legal obligations to provide a proxy voting mechanism to its members?
Seems a loaded question.

No one is suggesting not meeting legal obligations.
A change in approach would probably revert back to a simpler approach to accepting motions and for Council to hear both sides of any issue before casting its vote (proxy votes allocated). More time for both sides of any issue to be presented. The block vote seems a disadvantage, in that issues may be divided and voting should reflect this. The precise details would need consideration.
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Philip Benstead wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 6:03am Should we do away with the AGM then?
As a physical meeting? I'd say yes. I don't think it's any longer a requirement?
If the motions have already been decided by the proxy votes cast prior to the physical meeting, nothing that happens there is going to change the outcome. So you tell me, what purpose does it serve?
We keep hearing that in the old days fifty people meeting in a room was a better way to make decisions than a couple of thousand voting by proxy. It's a matter of opinion which made the better decisions, but I don't think anyone can argue that the first is more representative.
A couple of thousand voting is still a poor percentage, that may reflect the level of interest, or it could be argued it's a massive vote of confidence in the board. IMO it just shows the majority have joined for reasons that are not particularly affected by the decisions of the AGM.
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PH wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 9:45am
Philip Benstead wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 6:03am Should we do away with the AGM then?
As a physical meeting? I'd say yes. I don't think it's any longer a requirement?
If the motions have already been decided by the proxy votes cast prior to the physical meeting, nothing that happens there is going to change the outcome. So you tell me, what purpose does it serve?
We keep hearing that in the old days fifty people meeting in a room was a better way to make decisions than a couple of thousand voting by proxy. It's a matter of opinion which made the better decisions, but I don't think anyone can argue that the first is more representative.
A couple of thousand voting is still a poor percentage, that may reflect the level of interest, or it could be argued it's a massive vote of confidence in the board. IMO it just shows the majority have joined for reasons that are not particularly affected by the decisions of the AGM.
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My is fear the voting will go down and numbers participating by proxity votes by giving their vote to the chair will go down.

In the case of the national trust, the voting is around 0.5%, in the case of the ctc that would be around 350
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Re: Did anybody attend the CTC/CUK AGM?

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Once again, following a General Meeting, half a dozen or so of the usual suspects from the forum membership have got together to express our deeply held opinions on how the democratic processes of Cycling UK/CTC [delete according to preference] do/do not [delete according to preference] function appropriately.

Once again we're repeating the same arguments, and once again I see no evidence either that anybody else is interested in our debate or that any of our own views on these matters will shift significantly.

Time for me to bow out and try harder not to get bothered by it next time around.
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I am fairly sure that approach will not address or provide any improvements.
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gaz wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 8:38pm Once again, following a General Meeting, half a dozen or so of the usual suspects from the forum membership have got together to express our deeply held opinions on how the democratic processes of Cycling UK/CTC [delete according to preference] do/do not [delete according to preference] function appropriately.

Once again we're repeating the same arguments, and once again I see no evidence either that anybody else is interested in our debate or that any of our own views on these matters will shift significantly.

Time for me to bow out and try harder not to get bothered by it next time around.
gaz - Just a note from me to express my appreciation of your contribution over the years.
Steady rider wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 9:25am I am fairly sure that approach will not address or provide any improvements.
It's the old exit, voice or loyalty choice and so often, when the loyal people decide to exit, they do so silently.
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