Are we all Trussed up...

[Stevek76]

It has to be a question that fits on the ballet paper and gives equal chance to both sides

You can't ask do you want stay or leave and die a slow death through cold and starvation. That's a might biased

The 1975 ref question mentioned nothing about cold or starvation, or indeed even made any argument either way, rather odd you imply it did. Both official campaigns got 7 sides of leaflet space to set out arguments which were delivered to every household. Quite a few of the arguments are rather similar to 2016. You realise all this stuff is archived and easily accessible on the internet right?

My own view on referendums has long been in agreement with Thatcher's (a tool of dictators and demagogues) but I'm not seeing much difference between the two.

[jois]

It has to be a question that fits on the ballet paper and gives equal chance to both sides

You can't ask do you want stay or leave and die a slow death through cold and starvation. That's a might biased

The 1975 ref question mentioned nothing about cold or starvation, or indeed even made any argument either way, rather odd you imply it did. Both official campaigns got 7 sides of leaflet space to set out arguments which were delivered to every household. Quite a few of the arguments are rather similar to 2016. You realise all this stuff is archived and easily accessible on the internet right?

My own view on referendums has long been in agreement with Thatcher's (a tool of dictators and demagogues) but I'm not seeing much difference between the two.

I think you may have to consider what you think I wrote.because it certainly wasn't that

Even in the bit you quoted I said you Can't ask.....

[Stevek76]

EDIT:- i've just heard someone who "works in the city" claiming he and others like him on six figure sums,deserve the tax cuts.
Though when asked about whether nurses deserve the same tax cut and asked where he thought his taxes went,claimed that his present taxes didn't go to nurses pay but some how was lost somewhere in government coffers.

Equally there are plenty in the city who think this is madness. As some have indicated, what's the point in being £5k pa better off when all the public services are falling to bits?

[jois]

EDIT:- i've just heard someone who "works in the city" claiming he and others like him on six figure sums,deserve the tax cuts.
Though when asked about whether nurses deserve the same tax cut and asked where he thought his taxes went,claimed that his present taxes didn't go to nurses pay but some how was lost somewhere in government coffers.

Equally there are plenty in the city who think this is madness. As some have indicated, what's the point in being £5k pa better off when all the public services are falling to bits?

Im guessing as you used the word plenty rather than a specific % that this isn't at all based on a pole or survey of those in the city

[Stevek76]

Nope, was just complementary anecdotes to go with reohn2's, not claimed them to be anything else.

The Government has announced the results of the renegotiation of the United Kingdom's terms of membership of the European Community.

Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)? (Yes/No)

The first statement is neutral, it makes no suggestion as to whether those renegotiated terms were good or bad.

The question is factual (those were the names of the ec at the time). As yes/no it does have some risk of acquiescence bias, however as it clearly asks the respondent's opinion and the topic matter was will discussed and known about this really isn't going to be significant here, not like it helped the Scottish nationalists in 2014! Even on badly worded agree/disagree questions with little prior knowledge you might get up to 20% swing. The 75 result was 67% to 33%...

The political element was well discussed at the time, the LSE has electronic copies of many of the leaflets from then.

[reohn2]

EDIT:- i've just heard someone who "works in the city" claiming he and others like him on six figure sums,deserve the tax cuts.
Though when asked about whether nurses deserve the same tax cut and asked where he thought his taxes went,claimed that his present taxes didn't go to nurses pay but some how was lost somewhere in government coffers.

Equally there are plenty in the city who think this is madness. As some have indicated, what's the point in being £5k pa better off when all the public services are falling to bits?

I don't doubt it,I'm reporting on one man's opinion and how hollow and selfish it was,I've no doubt he won't be alone.

[jois]

Nope, was just complementary anecdotes to go with reohn2's, not claimed them to be anything else.

The Government has announced the results of the renegotiation of the United Kingdom's terms of membership of the European Community.

Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)? (Yes/No)

The first statement is neutral, it makes no suggestion as to whether those renegotiated terms were good or bad.

The question is factual (those were the names of the ec at the time). As yes/no it does have some risk of acquiescence bias, however as it clearly asks the respondent's opinion and the topic matter was will discussed and known about this really isn't going to be significant here, not like it helped the Scottish nationalists in 2014! Even on badly worded agree/disagree questions with little prior knowledge you might get up to 20% swing. The 75 result was 67% to 33%...

The political element was well discussed at the time, the LSE has electronic copies of many of the leaflets from then.

It was no longer the common market so that's a falsehood for a start

It also wasn't the United Kingdom, that's inaccurate. But possibly not crucial

But as there were only two and they got both wrong it doesn't fill you with confidence

[Stevek76]

Might be setting myself up for egg on face here but if she keeps on like this I'm not sure truss will last a year.

Well yougov have just posted their largest ever labour lead (45% to 28%) so at this rate she might not even last this year

[roubaixtuesday]

[francovendee]

There are some standard around health and safety and health and safety management. That they have in their sights. This is the " red tape" they like to refere to.

I'm not in agreement with scrapping these. But that's not the same as effecting exports.

The EU won't like it as it may give us an advantage in the ,,"trade war"

It's early days but on food standards, electrical standards etc the temptation to go for our own standards may be on the cards.
There is talk of matching UK standards to the EU's but it's not a policy.
If it's only health and safety and safety management, then what was the talk of a bonfire of EU rules about?
I'm afraid the lure of additional profit if standards are lowered and must be tempting to some employers.

Depends which standards, I think the context was the British standards standards. There are a whole load of rules that arnt in British
standards

I think it maybe quite small bonfire

If we were dealing with a grown up government then it would indeed be a very small bonfire. We are in the hands of an infantile fanatical anti-EU bunch of rich far right politicians.
Anything but sound sense is possible.

[reohn2]

It's early days but on food standards, electrical standards etc the temptation to go for our own standards may be on the cards.
There is talk of matching UK standards to the EU's but it's not a policy.
If it's only health and safety and safety management, then what was the talk of a bonfire of EU rules about?
I'm afraid the lure of additional profit if standards are lowered and must be tempting to some employers.

Depends which standards, I think the context was the British standards standards. There are a whole load of rules that arnt in British
standards

I think it maybe quite small bonfire

If we were dealing with a grown up government then it would indeed be a very small bonfire. We are in the hands of an infantile fanatical anti-EU bunch of rich far right politicians.
Anything but sound sense is possible.

Which has been proven under Johnson and set to get worse under Truss IMO.

[Mike Sales]

Nomura, the Japanese bank, forecast that the pound would end the year below parity against the dollar while Paul Donovan, the chief economist at UBS global wealth management, said investors were inclined to see the Conservative party as a “doomsday cult”.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -rate-hike

[Psamathe]

Commentators on TV last night were talking about how Kwarteng is probably toast (probably in about 6 months). They were saying Truss wont take the blame but will throw her friend "under the bus". I have my doubts she can scapegoat her appointee doing what she committed to in her manifesto and has become widely known as Trussonomics.

Ian

[pete75]

Former US Treasury secretary Larry Summers warned the pound could fall below the dollar due to the huge spending commitments outlined by Mr Kwarteng.

"It makes me very sorry to say, but I think the UK is behaving a bit like an emerging market turning itself into a submerging market," Mr Summers told Bloomberg.

"Between Brexit, how far the Bank of England got behind the curve and now these fiscal policies, I think Britain will be remembered for having pursuing the worst macroeconomic policies of any major country in a long time."

[Jdsk]

"The decision to pay Liz Truss’s new chief of staff, Mark Fullbrook, through a private company has been dropped after criticism from within the Conservatives as well as from opposition parties."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... is-dropped

Amazing what transparency and pluralism can achieve. Unfortunate that they aren't built into the system of appointment.

Jonathan