Psamathe wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 2:48pm
Is 1.2 Kg trivial or massive (on a bend tadpole)?
I generally find I'm more worried about bulk than weight. To see if 1.2 Kg bothers you take a water bottle with a litre in it and a big bar of chocolate and see if you notice, but an Allak will take up quite a lot more packing space than a Rogen.
Psamathe wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 2:48pm
Is a red label significantly stronger than yellow label?
The poles are the same 9mm ones, but obviously with a full pole coming down over the porches the Allak will flap less in a blow and will ultimately take more structural flak.
The material on the red label is stronger, with a 12 Kg tear strength against (IIRC) 8 Kg for the Yellows, but bear in mind that is subaerially more than most tents, and pretty much anything with a PU coated fly (including numerous bunker-class mountaineering tents).
The groundsheet is thicker on the Red label. If you're worried about the Yellow one that might be a reason to change, or you could just add a footprint.
Whether that boils down to "significant" is down to you. Personally I would take the Allak over the Rogen as a sea kayaking tent as it's a proper 4 season winter capable tent and in the boat I have loads of space and weight is no issue. I would take the Rogen for cycle touring because it's less bulky and I'm less likely to be on a marginal pitch and it's still a genuinely strong shelter.
Psamathe wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 2:48pm
I love the Rogen (size and shape) but are there other Hilleberg's I should consider? (I don't get on with tunnel tents)
Any other thoughts?
If you do want a stronger Hilleberg then there's the Jannu, Unna and Soulo. I don't like the Soulo as I find it a bit small, particularly the porch, but loads of folk love them. It's quite a lump for the size but it is verging on bunker class (the Soulo Black Label is the full monty). The Jannu is big enough for two, I'm not keen myself as I prefer twin entrances and while the porch has lots of area it doesn't have much volume as it tapers so much. The Unna's great if you're not bothered about porches (though I am!).
But do sit in a Kaitum if you can. When we got ours we decided against the Allak as it was over our weight limit even though we notionally preferred domes to tunnels... but once we'd started using the Kaitum we got over that very quickly as there is so much space for the weight. Ours is a 3 which is preposterously over-sized for one, but a pal has a 2 which she's used for solo cycle touring and loves it. It's big, dependable and easy to put up. When they launched it I didn't see the point, now I think that at least for my purposes it's one of the greatest tents in the world!
In your place I'd keep the Rogen. Red label will do proper winter mountaineering and I doubt you need that. We bought a Kaitum rather than a Helags because Yellow Label didn't exist back then... Yellow is lighter and weaker, but Hilleberg's idea of a compromise for lighter weight is still a very strong tent by most standards.
If you do decide to trade up to More Bombproof I may well be interested in buying your Rogen!
Pete.
Often seen riding a bike around Dundee...