Braverman: Rise of the Fascists

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Psamathe
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Re: Braverman: Rise of the Fascists

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yakdiver wrote: 22 Dec 2022, 1:39pm
Psamathe wrote: 22 Dec 2022, 1:02pm
yakdiver wrote: 22 Dec 2022, 12:03pm
France is about 2.3 times bigger than United Kingdom.
Still does not answer the question
France is more rural, similar populations so similar infrastructure, services, medical, hotels, housing, etc. so "size" does not impact ability to support refugees (you can't just show them an empty field).

Ian
France is more rural...........well bloody build on it like we have to do ****
Your question was about helping refugees not about rural development.

Ian
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yakdiver wrote: 21 Dec 2022, 3:00pm Six pages on and no one has answered my question, so I'll ask again -
before you answer you do realise the most of the hotels are now full and the government are looking at holiday homes.
How many would you let in ?
I see this all the time on fora... 'Why has no one answered my question?', they say, indignantly.

Well, the simple answer is that the question is so ridiculous, or banal, or just plain boring that no one would waste their time to even field a reply.

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yakdiver wrote: 22 Dec 2022, 12:03pm
francovendee wrote: 22 Dec 2022, 9:02am
yakdiver wrote: 21 Dec 2022, 3:00pm Six pages on and no one has answered my question, so I'll ask again -
before you answer you do realise the most of the hotels are now full and the government are looking at holiday homes.
How many would you let in ?
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/F ... statistics
France is about 2.3 times bigger than United Kingdom.
Still does not answer the question
It's not the size of the country but the size of a country's heart towards refugees that's different.
I was reacting to your comment that France does fa for migrants. Where did you get this information,The Daily Mail?

There isn't an answer to mass migration. The UK is better placed than most if a way to stop it was simple. Being an island safeguarding the borders is easier but morally it's not an option.
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Lords committee report: "The roles of the Lord Chancellor and the Law Officers":
https://committees.parliament.uk/public ... 5/default/

includes:

"45. The Government has now twice knowingly introduced legislation in Parliament which would breach the UK’s international obligations, contravening Lord Bingham’s principle that “the rule of law requires compliance by the state with its obligations in international law.”
In the case of Part 5 of the United Kingdom Internal Market Bill it admitted doing so. In the case of the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill, the Government has failed to produce a credible legal justification for doing so."


in bold...

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Braverman scraps three recommendations over the Windrush scandal :- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64414451
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reohn2 wrote: 27 Jan 2023, 12:57am Braverman scraps three recommendations over the Windrush scandal :- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64414451
Shameful.

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Jdsk wrote: 27 Jan 2023, 4:45pm
reohn2 wrote: 27 Jan 2023, 12:57am Braverman scraps three recommendations over the Windrush scandal :- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64414451
Shameful.

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Jdsk wrote: 27 Jan 2023, 4:45pm
reohn2 wrote: 27 Jan 2023, 12:57am Braverman scraps three recommendations over the Windrush scandal :- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64414451
Shameful.

Jonathan
A shamefaced Tory! That would now be impossible, since such feelings are not allowed in Tory Gang as they indicate some form of sympathy for other people, which is nae gud in a spiv.

As in most bully gangs, the sub-bullies vie mightily to indicate their potential as next chief bully when the current one bullies too many other gang members instead of the traditional victims.

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Yvette Cooper speaking the HofC yesterday:- https://youtu.be/TpQXEGG91zs
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Wasn't sure where best to post these 'letters to the Guardian' but as Suella gets a nice mention in one of them I've posted the collection below:

Nadhim Zahawi writes to the prime minister about his fleeing to Great Britain as a child: “I believe that in no other country on earth would my story be possible.” Fortunately for him, neither Suella Braverman nor Priti Patel were home secretary at the time.

Now that Nadhim Zahawi has been sacked, having been found to be in serious breach of the ministerial code (Nadhim Zahawi sacked as Tory party chair over tax affairs, 29 January), surely the big question to ask is: how much UK tax has he avoided, albeit legally, by investing his wealth in overseas tax havens? And how many other MPs and government ministers also avoid UK tax by this method of investment? The ministerial code needs to be updated to question if it is morally acceptable for ministers to legally avoid tax while they are responsible for raising taxes from the rest of us, who are not rich enough to use this loophole.

The inequalities and solutions raised by Polly Toynbee need to be brought to the attention of the wider public (Zahawi, Sunak, Johnson: this is rule by plutocrat. It’s like a stench that’s worse each day, 23 January). I suggest a campaign touring the country with a big red bus plastered with this slogan: “We give £350m a week to the richest people in this country. Why not spend it on the NHS instead?”
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re Nadhim Zahawi: the UK has been deliberately pursuing an ambition to offer the lowest tax possible to encourage investment. That and a global switch towards low low corporate tax liabilities, is how it is these days. Therefore we shouldn't be surprised when successful entrepreneurs play the game successfully. The problem from the pov of modern politicians, is not so much transgression, but being thrown into a poor light. As much a question of timing as legality. My sense is that NZ thinks so too.
Folks interested in exactly how much tax isn't paid these days can enjoy this rather dry book:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 ... k_ro_title
Note I'm not condoning this sort of approach, but mention it as an indicator of exactly how much power has transferred away from people & politicians and to the banks and corporations. In some ways, the old political structures where people paid reasonable taxes and the gov. organised how they were redistributed for the benefit of the people have gone - finished. But then I expect you, dear reader, have noticed that. See for example the god awful state of our water industry, with the companies taking and keeping our money, then discharging excrement in our rivers and beaches and then having the brazen gall to put our prices up by record levels. Welcome to the Brave New World, folks !
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(Zahawi, Sunak, Johnson: this is rule by plutocrat. It’s like a stench that’s worse each day, 23 January)
And uncle Tory Cobbley and all.......
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"Call for a clear stand from political leaders after attack on Knowsley hotel":
https://togetherwithrefugees.org.uk/cal ... ley-hotel/

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Jdsk wrote: 14 Feb 2023, 10:11am "Call for a clear stand from political leaders after attack on Knowsley hotel":
https://togetherwithrefugees.org.uk/cal ... ley-hotel/

Jonathan
Suella has got to recruit her Sturmabteilung somehow. She could go down the fitba' and try to recruit 'em personally from the swathes of hooligans but might find herself beat up or worse before she can offer them the smart brown uniform, bully-baton and a place in her new Brownshirt Barracks.

A Tory luv a hooligan, though. Many are hooligans themselves albeit of a different style (floppy Hitler haircut, waistcoat & tails rather than big shaved heed and a badly fitting shell suit).

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Jdsk wrote: 14 Feb 2023, 10:11am "Call for a clear stand from political leaders after attack on Knowsley hotel":
https://togetherwithrefugees.org.uk/cal ... ley-hotel/
And an explanation of the preceding events:

"What the Knowsley Riot Tells Us About the Far Right Today":
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/13/what ... ght-today/

Jonathan
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