CYCLING UK Survey

[Philip Benstead]

So you can remember all that, but can't remember CTC existing?

Yes I remember CTC but this isn't CTC's survey.

Derek

It's the same organisation.

Is it, I am keep being told they are different. The objects and aims are different.

[mattheus]

Yes I remember CTC but this isn't CTC's survey.

Derek

It's the same organisation.

Is it, I am keep being told they are different. The objects and aims are different.

Who by?

[Philip Benstead]

It's the same organisation.

Is it, I am keep being told they are different. The objects and aims are different.

Who by?

Ex CTC Councilors, former CTC members and current members of CUK

[mattheus]

Is it, I am keep being told they are different. The objects and aims are different.

Who by?

Ex CTC Councilors, former CTC members and current members of CUK

So just opinions? No citations?

[Philip Benstead]

Who by?

Ex CTC Councilors, former CTC members and current members of CUK

So just opinions? No citations?

Compare the current and former articles

[mattheus]

Ex CTC Councilors, former CTC members and current members of CUK

So just opinions? No citations?

Compare the current and former articles

Are you saying there has been change? Who'd have thought?!!!

Are you the same person you were 50 years ago Philip? Same plans, dreams, priorities?!?

Did the CTC remain exactly the same in all the decades upto the charity conversion?

[mattheus]

Can we just cut the crap here. Rename the topic:
"Whining about CUK - don't expect anything positive herein"

[thirdcrank]

So just opinions? No citations?

Compare the current and former articles

Are you saying there has been change? Who'd have thought?!!!

Are you the same person you were 50 years ago Philip? Same plans, dreams, priorities?!?

Did the CTC remain exactly the same in all the decades upto the charity conversion?

That's reminded me that in my first period of CTC membership (1958-ish) I received a CTC leaflet which argued that cycling was the safest form of transport. (Regulars may already be spotting which way this is going.) As a gobby 13 yo, I ended up in an argument with a know-all a couple of years older than me. To the amusement of his hangers on, he suggested I prove my case by riding in front of a truck. Lesson learned: be clear what you are trying to demonstrate.

This means that even your natural supporters may display healthy scepticism. Indeed, they are often the hardest to convince because they tend to have a good knowledge of the subject. And may have some understanding of the use of data.

[Toffee]

CYCLING UK Survey

Have you received this survey?

IMHO these surveys presume certain answers, questions One I had to answer, but none of the feelings expressed did not tally with my views. What do others think, am I the odd one out?

https://forms.office.com/pages/response ... RpZi-XKwLo

I gave up after 2 questions as life is too short.

[mattheus]

This means that even your natural supporters may display healthy scepticism. Indeed, they are often the hardest to convince because they tend to have a good knowledge of the subject. And may have some understanding of the use of data.

With the greatest respect TC:

what is your point here?

[thirdcrank]

This means that even your natural supporters may display healthy scepticism. Indeed, they are often the hardest to convince because they tend to have a good knowledge of the subject. And may have some understanding of the use of data.

With the greatest respect TC:

what is your point here?

No need to "with respect" me

My point was that if you are organising a survey - or other research - hoping that the findings will provide credible evidence -then arguably the first people who you need to convince about the validity of your methods and hence your eventual findings are your natural supporters who will often be the people you want to campaign on the basis of your evidence.

[mattheus]

This means that even your natural supporters may display healthy scepticism. Indeed, they are often the hardest to convince because they tend to have a good knowledge of the subject. And may have some understanding of the use of data.

With the greatest respect TC:

what is your point here?

No need to "with respect" me

So you don't like a polite request for clarification? Do let me know what is acceptable wording , for future reference.

Anyway, thank-you for expanding on your point. I don't have an immediate short response, sorry.

[thirdcrank]

It's a personal thing. Setting aside the habitual flummery which is the stock-in-trade of learned friends and politicians - often synonymous - IME experience "with (the utmost) respect" usually precedes the opposite. Either way, it adds nothing imo.

PS I wasn't looking for a response. You asked for clarification and I tried to give it, as I have tried now.

[mattheus]

Either way, it adds nothing imo.

This is not uncommon for words that I use!